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Originally Posted by CanwllCorfe
You can't KNOW what he was thinking. They're not even close to being in a logical mindset. Don't forget that they kill themselves. It's pretty hard to imagine how much anguish they were feeling. And I believe my point STILL stands. Yes, he could have still helped them, but not in the way that he knew how. He had no plan B. Just imagine looking at your kid and your wife, thinking that you can't help them. You can't just say "well he should have thought THIS". That's like asking a murderer, "HEY, DID YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT THEIR FAMILY?!?!" People of sound mind don't commit suicide, obviously. And they're fully aware of what problems it will cause. So I don't think anyone can point the finger at them and say what they're doing is "selfish" because we really don't know what's going through their head. Especially one that's obviously compromised.
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He was successful so I know that he was thinking that there were no other options even though there ARE numerous options but he's just so down and sad about the whole situation that he decides to give up on life like a coward.
I don't have to know exactly what he was thinking specifically but his actions are still considered selfish regardless of whatever he is thinking.
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Originally Posted by Pedestrian
To call something selfish is to imply that one's own interests are considered alone, however, depression being a mental illness, you can't bring any thought or logic into it. You simply can't claim thoughtlessness to a person who can't think normally. You can't ascribe any logical or decisive adjectives to an illness of that nature.
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I agree with what you say somewhat, but I still feel like it's a selfish act and we will have to agree to disagree.
People can be depressed and think normally though but it's usually not rational. Sure, it may be the illness talking but they are still only interested in themselves as in how they feel and how others make them feel.
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Originally Posted by Dirty
I hate how with pretty much any disorder or disease or personal problem, everyone on MB for the most part uses that as some type of excuse for behavior. Oh, he's depressed, he can't think!!! Seriously, get a grip. Being depressed doesn't turn you into a mental retard and you still understand right from wrong. Suicide is pure selfishness at it's absolute highest level. Wanting to end YOUR suffering while knowing it will cause more suffering to others, and doing it anyways.
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OMFG this so much!
Society has a whole is like that. They never want to own up to their own responsibilities and love throwing the blame onto someone else.