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24 weeks after conception. As recommended by the medical profession, who know an awful lot more about foetal development than I do.
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that's debatable....to me, it begins after conception.
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I was well aware of that, hence the incredulous double standard of you accusing me of having a "bullsh1t" excuse for seeking a termination.
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your logic baffles me, how does me saying that abortion should be legal so that people can do it in safe enviroments , and that not having a child because you're not "ready" is a bullshi
t reason pose a double standard?
those are two separate things!
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Since when did a woman have to go through a potentially difficult surgical procedure to have her hair cut? Yet again displaying a total lack of understanding of the physicalities involved, or attempting to belittle the event itself, either way is irresponsible and downright foolhardy.
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so the procedure is psychologically difficult because it's a surgical procedure? that's the only reason why it's difficult?! ok.....for you and your girlfriend maybe, i was thinking of other reasons for it being a difficult decision...
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Same double standard written in a different sentence. Congrats. You spend a rant telling me that a decision I have made in my life is bullsh1t, and then in the next post claim not to be dictating? What was that then, your impression of friendly advice?.
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it's an opinion, how the fu
ck does an opinion on a matter become a dictation? am i holding a gun to anyone's head?! you keep skipping the parts where i say that everyone has a right to decide for themselves, what exactly am i dictating by saying that? or by disagreeing with you?
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It was bought up before by someone else and you ignored it, so I'll bring it up here again. Here's the facts for you. There is a disproportionate amount of unwanted pregnancies in low income, ill-educated households. These are households with the least access to contraception, and the least awareness of contraceptive methods. They are more likely to be the victims of and perpetrators of crime, and are more likely to experience mental and physical health problems and higher than average cases of depression, suicide, infant mortality and mortality in general. Just because YOU were educated enough to know the risks, doesn't mean everybody else is. You will not stop people from having sex, regardless of what your morals say. And as for those who choose to abort despite knowing the risks, tell me why it is reckless. They are not taking valuable resources away from the health services as the process is much more often than not undertake in private hospitals. They are not producing a burden on the state in the form of an unwanted child, they are only reckless because you decide it, with nothing more than the weight of your own mind behind it.
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so now you're putting a price tag on a human life?valuable recourse from health servises? a burden on the state? that's what human life is to you?
it's cheaper and easier to just get rid of the baby ha? most definetly...
as for the social situation of many people, you're saying that they're not educated on the various methods of contraception but somehow they are aware of abortion?then i think they should be more educated on contraceptive methods, that should be done by the goverment, while still enabling them to have an abortion, but by no means should they promote abortion as a method of resolving the problems of the respective social group.
my comment on reckless behaviour was aimed at the people who can afford a baby and can make ends meet, but still decide to abort. because it seems to me like you regard abortion simply as another contraceptive method. when in fact, it's not, it's much more than that. depending on what you consider the human embrio to be.
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Has nothing to do with the topic in hand. You want to start a thread on bad parenting, do it somewhere else.
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No, it isn't making sense. What is the point of bringing more and more children into this already overcrowded world when the parents by their own admission are not capable of bringing them up correctly? There's already plenty of kids commiting suicide because of depression, alienation, poor upbringings and a lack of emotional connection with the people around them.
I can't understand how you can give so little weight to the thoughts and needs of the two people with the biggest responsibility to any child born into this world. And on your point about money, well lets put it like this. You never see your parents because they are always working to scrape together enough money to feed you, clothe you, and bring you toys. You think you'd be happy without that relationship?
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i apologize, i took the comments above to be directly related to parenting, or future parenting and i interpreted it that you think those kids would be better off never to be born. how silly of me.....i really must stop smoking pot....
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No I didn't. You're twisting what I actually said to fit your agenda.
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i don't believe i am.
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And there's the agenda. Seeing as it's nothing to do with what I actually wrote it isn't worthy of further comment.
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agenda? yes, let's take one thing i said in passing and make it my agenda and thus belittle my views.....clever use of debating tactics, but i'm affraid it wont work on me....