I've seen both before. They're not actual arguments, theyre stand up routines - they're just another *******'s opinion, they just do it in a more entertaining way (love Louis CK, Danhope is ok).
Also, pointing it out doesn't mean I'm offended. I don't have to be offended by something to comment on it. I do think it comes from out dated concepts of masculinity and is mostly used by people that are insecure about their own masculinity.
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