Originally Posted by P A N

so hard to formulate the right words when dealing with so many different things/people. my apologies. yes. data is valid. experimental data. reproducible experiments. an example of what i mean is that believing the earth is as it is said to be means being able to actually test it. the thing is, we've sent independent balloons up to 122,000 feet. we've shot lasers across large bodies of water. detecting curvature should not be impossible for your laymen. but it is. we (flat earthers) collect data, and we compare it to ball-earth data. it doesn't jive.