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Originally Posted by elphenor
right I agree
my argument was that punk is pop music to begin with but with a lack of production or professionalism
where as pop punk is seriously just pop music with a few punk cliches included
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I think it's more to do with the musical culture that produced it, or else a Madonna album with incompetent producers could be punk. In other words, punk is music made by people trying to make punk.