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Old 11-16-2017, 05:03 PM   #41 (permalink)
MicShazam
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In the Rwandan genocide the government handed out machetes to the Hutu populace and expected them to contribute, and they did, without resistance or complaint. That's one reason why the death toll was so quick so soon, because there was no escape for the Tutsis with the enemy being next door. The massacre wasn't carried out just by death squads, but by people just like you and me who'd been conditioned to hate, which is something that humanity as a whole is very easily conditioned to do. The human race is tribalistic by nature, and it doesn't really take much to bring it out. Basically just not having a comfortable lifestyle is enough to make people take their frustrations out on an outsider group, so long as it's easy, because they have different color skin, or a different religion, or simply a history of being seen as different. Just look at America with Trump and Hispanics, or Europe with Muslims. Just how different would it be if Europe wasn't such a comfortable, 1st world place to live in? How accepting do you think your country would be? How many would die?

How much did it take the Germans to take their frustrations out on the Jews? How much did it take to let the Jews be the scapegoats? How much did it take for the majority of Germans to turn their heads away from what they knew was happening and go about their lives as if nothing was happening because it was simply easier than doing something about it? That's the real issue. Not that some Germans killed a bunch of Jews, but that the majority of Germans didn't care enough to do anything about it. People simply don't care enough to try to stop genocide if it's too hard. Or if it's hard at all. Or simply if the people in charge say "do it" when they can make a case for it that jibes with some narrative that seems plausibe. That's honestly all that's needed to change civilization to barbarism, because ultimately the difference is imaginary.

And no country is different. Under the right conditions, nearly every single human on Earth could be so callous and indifferent. We might sing to our children and sing Christmas carols and give to charity, but nearly all of those same people could look the other way in the face of state sanctioned murder because it's simply difficult to do otherwise. There's a quote from a Holocaust survivor that I think sums up the human race pretty well, "This world is not this world." The human race and its civilization is simply a front to pretend that we are not simply animals capable of monstrosity at the drop of a hat the same as any animal.

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I basically agree with you, except I don't want to diminish the value of the human will towards something better.

A about a week ago, I attended a public meeting where candidates for the upcoming city council election presented their political platform. In a room of 95% white, christian or atheist "natives" like me, there was overwhelmingly one sided "booing" whenever a particular candidate went on about how muslims were the root of all evil. It's not that I don't see problems with radical Islam, but it was heartwarming to see such overwhelming resistance against attempts to stir animosity against a group of immigrants in our country.

On the other hand, I know that there's some of that darkness in all of us. I ****ing hate that Spielberg movie, Schindler's List - but I hate it exactly because it makes the villains seem so different from us. It gives us this easy boogeyman, which is this cartoonishly evil Nazi stereotype, when in reality, there's depressingly little difference between most of the soldiers who served at the side of Nazi Germany and of us 'regular' movie watching pundits. Despite all this, I think there's reason to insist on the good sides of human beings. To at least aspire to be one of the good guys, even if you might ultimately fail to be so...
Also, in case you haven't, the graphic novel Maus is absolutely required reading for anyone who appreciates that medium - and really anyone who dares to look deep inside the human spirit in a way that's not as black & white as Schindler's List.

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