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jibber · 05-31-2004, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by IamAlejo

God, I try to avoid this but I can't.

You say that America holds a great deal of shares of the oil corporations...so why would we attack Iraq for more oil? The whole oil part of things is what pisses me off. In the end, if we don't turn the oil wells back over to Iraqi companies than I will talk of my mistake, until then, it's a hushed topic.

Second, I truly don't see how any AMERICAN can have sympathy for the Iraqis. The same Iraqis who were dancing in the streets of Baghdad after the 9/11 bombings. Remember, that was the act of war which got everything started. But I guess that is Bush's fault for not jumping in front of the plant?

Third, you guys jump on my back like I'm a Bush fanatic. I truly don't think his presidency is a great one. But when I look on things, I can say that I believe he has handled things better than (in my opinion) Kerry, Gore, or even Nader would have. The one thing people need to notice, Terrorism is not a Crime, It is an Act of War. Gore would treat it like crime, just as Kerry would, arresting those who did it and punishing them. What Bush has done, and what you might disagree with, is that he has put the Terrorists on the defensive. Anyone see terrorist attacks on US Soil recently? No, they have the terrorists trying to protect themselves.

I agree, it is hard to see how everything is going now, and eventually we will see when everything "pans out" in the end. I don't think you can judge the actions of Bush now, but much later down (15-20 or so years). I'm gonna try my hardest not post again, because I can see this as you not wanting to change your point of view, and me not willing to change mine.

I've been trying to stay out of this, because it's really pretty exhausting feeding you verible fact after verible fact and have you either completely ignore them or fail to undertsand the importance of meaning behind them, but I'll try one last time. US corporations have a HUGE number of shares in the oil business in Saudi Arabia, and recieves a HUGE amount of its oil supply from there as well (I wont say the majority, because the majority of the US's oil supply actually comes from Canada, surprise surprise, you learn something new every day). However, the United States is one of those countries in perpetual want of more income, and more control, meaning they (and by they I am refering to many administrations, not just Bush) will often go to great lengths to secure shares in the major industries of many other nations. The reason the US would want more control over the world's oil supply is simply this, because we (and by we I mean the developed world as a whole, Canada included, but the US is the worst in the group) are a pretty spoiled and greedy culture. 1/5 of the world's population is using up 4/5 of the worlds energy supplies, and the majority of that is used up by the US, and don't even try to say it's because you need more of it to support your population, that argument just doesn't wash, if you need an explanation why, ask for it and I'll give it to you, not right now though. Your second point, beides being a snide remark and most likely a hidden message for "foreigners" to keep out of american politics (judging by AMERICANS being emphasized) was completely ignorant and stereotypical. No one in the free world has any feelings of sympathy whatsoever for the animals who paraded the US soldier's bodies through the streets, or celebrated the deaths of innocent americans, but those people are not the majority of iraqi's. The majority of iraqi's are caught up in a devastating and extremely violent war i which they had nothing to do with, the majority of iraqi's are innocent civilians forced to live their lives in terror over reasons for which there was no evidence nor verifyable support. These are the people that I have a great deal of sympathy for, and if you can't find any compassion for them within yourself, well then I feel truly sorry for you as well, you must lead a pretty bleak life. Your analyzation of the war on terror isn't too bad, except for one all important fact, Iraq had nothing, I repeat NOTHING to do with terrorist attacks on the United States, nor did it pose a threat in the future. I really feel sorry for the people who refuse to open their minds and realize that what Bush is doing is using fear as a campaign tool against his opponents. He has been creating false threats and false enemies in order to install mass hysteria and a consuming fear that if any other president is elected, the United States will face a sort of terrorist induced armageddon, which is utter lies. I doubt I will be posting much more in this thread, because I have argued my points with actual relative facts, and I have come to the conclusion that you are unable to give them a fair look, so it is basically useless. All I can hope is that by the time you are old enough to vote, you will have learned to open your mind enough to challenge your own opinions as often if not more often than the opinions of others.