Classic Albums: Nirvana - "Bleach"

BastardofYoung · 09-11-2011, 08:53 PM

I would like to agree, but outside of the underground, Bleach didn't make an impact. It only became a mainstream hit after Nevermind became a success.

Bleach got great reviews at the time, but it was not one to go mainstream.

Necromancer · 09-11-2011, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung

I would like to agree, but outside of the underground, Bleach didn't make an impact. It only became a mainstream hit after Nevermind became a success.

Bleach got great reviews at the time, but it was not one to go mainstream.

I was mainly commenting about the way it was seen through the eyes of other popular bands and artist of the time. (But I will admit) I also assumed Bleach as being a significant and groundbreaking album into grunge concerning its popularity as well.
I understand the impact Nevermind made and had at the time of its release compared to Bleach. "And I didn't buy Bleach until after Nevermind was released myself"

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But was it really that irrelevant of an album until Nevermind was released?

I would hold into account Nirvana changing their labels ('89) original release, from Sub Pop records to Geffen Records in '92 had a lot to do with it as well.

BastardofYoung · 09-11-2011, 10:02 PM

It wasn't irrelevant at all. I was not really anymore influential than say Mudhoney was at the time, I think Superfuzz Bigmuff had just about the same impact at the time, even Sub Pop thought that Mudhoney was going to be the band to break into the mainstream, at that time I think they thought Nirvana had potential to do so, but were not going to be the ones to break grunge mainstream.

Another fact people overlook in the whole grand scheme is Hole's debut album, "Pretty on the Inside", granted it was not grunge as much as a noise album in the vein of Sonic Youth (Kim Gordon even produced it)... but it outsold Bleach and got great reviews as well, Hole were the bigger band until Nirvana broke. I like that fact cause it counter claims all the talk that Courtney only got famous cause of Kurt, when in fact before they were a couple, she was doing better than he was... Of course that all changed when Nevermind was released, but up until that point "Pretty on the Inside" was doing better than "Bleach" in terms of sales.

Necromancer · 09-11-2011, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung

It wasn't irrelevant at all. I was not really anymore influential than say Mudhoney was at the time, I think Superfuzz Bigmuff had just about the same impact at the time, even Sub Pop thought that Mudhoney was going to be the band to break into the mainstream, at that time I think they thought Nirvana had potential to do so, but were not going to be the ones to break grunge mainstream.

Another fact people overlook in the whole grand scheme is Hole's debut album, "Pretty on the Inside", granted it was not grunge as much as a noise album in the vein of Sonic Youth (Kim Gordon even produced it)... but it outsold Bleach and got great reviews as well, Hole were the bigger band until Nirvana broke. I like that fact cause it counter claims all the talk that Courtney only got famous cause of Kurt, when in fact before they were a couple, she was doing better than he was... Of course that all changed when Nevermind was released, but up until that point "Pretty on the Inside" was doing better than "Bleach" in terms of sales.

Ive always been a fan of Courtney Love myself, but I actually assumed Cobain helped launch her career as well

. That's some good information Bastard!

concerning her career.

BastardofYoung · 09-11-2011, 10:23 PM

well, I think the Kurt association didn't hurt, but she was doing fine before that as well.

metalheadmike · 12-09-2011, 10:21 AM

This is my favorite Nirvana album. I liked the raw aggression of this album. I seen Nirvana on tour for this album. Kurt was still very great at this time. If you've never heard this check it out

Howard the Duck · 12-09-2011, 10:48 AM

at this point in time, Kurt was spelled as "Kurdt"

i prefer the earlier spelling

metalheadmike · 12-09-2011, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce

at this point in time, Kurt was spelled as "Kurdt"

i prefer the earlier spelling

You know I had forgot about that

**Janszoon** · 12-09-2011, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce

at this point in time, Kurt was spelled as "Kurdt"

i prefer the earlier spelling

Did they do that as some kind joke about Krist Novoselic's name?

Howard the Duck · 12-09-2011, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Did they do that as some kind joke about Krist Novoselic's name?

nah, i think that's the name he was born with

09-11-2011, 08:53 PM	#31 (permalink)
BastardofYoung Buzz Killjoy Join Date: May 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 2,692	I would like to agree, but outside of the underground, Bleach didn't make an impact. It only became a mainstream hit after Nevermind became a success. Bleach got great reviews at the time, but it was not one to go mainstream. __________________ last.fm ‎"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." - Jack Handey.

09-11-2011, 10:02 PM	#33 (permalink)
BastardofYoung Buzz Killjoy Join Date: May 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 2,692	It wasn't irrelevant at all. I was not really anymore influential than say Mudhoney was at the time, I think Superfuzz Bigmuff had just about the same impact at the time, even Sub Pop thought that Mudhoney was going to be the band to break into the mainstream, at that time I think they thought Nirvana had potential to do so, but were not going to be the ones to break grunge mainstream. Another fact people overlook in the whole grand scheme is Hole's debut album, "Pretty on the Inside", granted it was not grunge as much as a noise album in the vein of Sonic Youth (Kim Gordon even produced it)... but it outsold Bleach and got great reviews as well, Hole were the bigger band until Nirvana broke. I like that fact cause it counter claims all the talk that Courtney only got famous cause of Kurt, when in fact before they were a couple, she was doing better than he was... Of course that all changed when Nevermind was released, but up until that point "Pretty on the Inside" was doing better than "Bleach" in terms of sales. __________________ last.fm ‎"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." - Jack Handey.

09-11-2011, 10:23 PM	#35 (permalink)
BastardofYoung Buzz Killjoy Join Date: May 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 2,692	well, I think the Kurt association didn't hurt, but she was doing fine before that as well. __________________ last.fm ‎"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." - Jack Handey.

12-09-2011, 10:21 AM	#36 (permalink)
metalheadmike Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 127	This is my favorite Nirvana album. I liked the raw aggression of this album. I seen Nirvana on tour for this album. Kurt was still very great at this time. If you've never heard this check it out