Loveless

starrynight · 03-22-2011, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by duga

My Bloody Valentine had figured out what every other shoegaze band was trying to accomplish.

And yet the person above you said it was unlike other shoegaze music.

duga · 03-22-2011, 08:48 PM

Notice how I used the word trying.

I was going to type out a nice response to that but I'm not even going to bother.

Belly19 · 03-27-2011, 03:38 AM

Love this album, good review!!!

DoctorSoft · 04-06-2011, 08:20 PM

Never really got the hype for this album. It's pretty good, but definately nothing mind-blowingly amazing. The only songs I really like are "To here Knows When", "When You Sleep", and "Blown a Wish". The rest are just ok.

Thom Yorke · 04-06-2011, 10:52 PM

Absolutely love this album. One of the best of the 90s.

Soon is my favourite track off it.

Davey Moore · 04-07-2011, 06:37 AM

I'm glad my hyperbolic writing combined with a polarizing album caused some discussion.

streetwaves · 04-17-2011, 03:18 PM

I've recently grown to like this album a lot more. I think my favorite song might be 'Loomer', really beautiful.

Gregor XIII · 04-17-2011, 05:33 PM

Late to this discussion. Wanted to make a small correction to Davey Mores first, and very good, post. A lot of the times the bands gazed at their shoes, instead of at their audiences, because they had all sorts of effects pedals that they had to switch between with their feet. At least that's what I've heard. So it's not just because they were pretentius, it was kinda necessary to play this kind of music.

As to the discussion afterwards, I must admit I found starrynight's position kind of weird. I think my main problem was when he said this: 'I think a band is important as the music is good to me' Why use the word 'important' when it's completely interchangable with 'good'? The discussion was mainly about whether anything could be called objectively important at all... Which is a boring discussion really (The answer is: Of course it can. Loveless is objectively important. There, I just did. If anyone finds that sentence to be meaningful, then it can be called objectively important in a meaningful way). If you accept that some albums have historical importance, and that that importance can be measured by examining historical statements from before, during and after, then there are very few albums that has as good a claim to being important as Loveless has. Plus, it's brilliant.

starrynight · 04-18-2011, 02:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregor XIII

Late to this discussion. Wanted to make a small correction to Davey Mores first, and very good, post. A lot of the times the bands gazed at their shoes, instead of at their audiences, because they had all sorts of effects pedals that they had to switch between with their feet. At least that's what I've heard. So it's not just because they were pretentius, it was kinda necessary to play this kind of music.

As to the discussion afterwards, I must admit I found starrynight's position kind of weird. I think my main problem was when he said this: 'I think a band is important as the music is good to me' Why use the word 'important' when it's completely interchangable with 'good'? The discussion was mainly about whether anything could be called objectively important at all... Which is a boring discussion really (The answer is: Of course it can. Loveless is objectively important. There, I just did. If anyone finds that sentence to be meaningful, then it can be called objectively important in a meaningful way). If you accept that some albums have historical importance, and that that importance can be measured by examining historical statements from before, during and after, then there are very few albums that has as good a claim to being important as Loveless has. Plus, it's brilliant.

It's your opinion that it is brilliant, it isn't mine or some other peoples. It's a matter of opinion whether they were the most important or best influence within what people came to call shoegaze.

Gregor XIII · 04-18-2011, 03:10 AM

You're (re-)stating the obvious, my good sir. And it's kinda boring... I'd much rather read what you think are better influences, and why.

Or let's discuss something else, perhaps: Which albums took the sound of Loveless the furthest? I'd argue the real successors to the shoegaze-throne was the early wave of Post-Rock. The Lost Generation. Quique by Seefeel and DI Go Pop by Disco Inferno (especially) are probably the two albums I feel used the template of Loveless the best.

03-22-2011, 08:48 PM	#32 (permalink)
duga MB quadrant's JM Vincent Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 3,762	Notice how I used the word trying. I was going to type out a nice response to that but I'm not even going to bother. __________________ Confusion will be my epitaph...

04-07-2011, 06:37 AM	#36 (permalink)
Davey Moore The Great Disappearer Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: URI Campus and Coventry, both in RI Posts: 462	I'm glad my hyperbolic writing combined with a polarizing album caused some discussion. __________________ The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over.

04-17-2011, 03:18 PM	#37 (permalink)
streetwaves Music Addict Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 267	I've recently grown to like this album a lot more. I think my favorite song might be 'Loomer', really beautiful. __________________ rateyourmusic

04-17-2011, 05:33 PM	#38 (permalink)
Gregor XIII Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: San Diego Posts: 57	Late to this discussion. Wanted to make a small correction to Davey Mores first, and very good, post. A lot of the times the bands gazed at their shoes, instead of at their audiences, because they had all sorts of effects pedals that they had to switch between with their feet. At least that's what I've heard. So it's not just because they were pretentius, it was kinda necessary to play this kind of music. As to the discussion afterwards, I must admit I found starrynight's position kind of weird. I think my main problem was when he said this: 'I think a band is important as the music is good to me' Why use the word 'important' when it's completely interchangable with 'good'? The discussion was mainly about whether anything could be called objectively important at all... Which is a boring discussion really (The answer is: Of course it can. Loveless is objectively important. There, I just did. If anyone finds that sentence to be meaningful, then it can be called objectively important in a meaningful way). If you accept that some albums have historical importance, and that that importance can be measured by examining historical statements from before, during and after, then there are very few albums that has as good a claim to being important as Loveless has. Plus, it's brilliant. __________________ Agnes Varda's Le Bonheur + thoughts on women in Akhmatova and Mizuguchi: The Centrifugue

04-18-2011, 03:10 AM	#40 (permalink)
Gregor XIII Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: San Diego Posts: 57	You're (re-)stating the obvious, my good sir. And it's kinda boring... I'd much rather read what you think are better influences, and why. Or let's discuss something else, perhaps: Which albums took the sound of Loveless the furthest? I'd argue the real successors to the shoegaze-throne was the early wave of Post-Rock. The Lost Generation. Quique by Seefeel and DI Go Pop by Disco Inferno (especially) are probably the two albums I feel used the template of Loveless the best. __________________ Agnes Varda's Le Bonheur + thoughts on women in Akhmatova and Mizuguchi: The Centrifugue

03-27-2011, 03:38 AM	#33 (permalink)
Belly19 Groupie Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 16	Love this album, good review!!!

04-06-2011, 08:20 PM	#34 (permalink)
DoctorSoft Rocket Appliances Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,335	Never really got the hype for this album. It's pretty good, but definately nothing mind-blowingly amazing. The only songs I really like are "To here Knows When", "When You Sleep", and "Blown a Wish". The rest are just ok.

04-06-2011, 10:52 PM	#35 (permalink)
Thom Yorke Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,848	Absolutely love this album. One of the best of the 90s. Soon is my favourite track off it.