We've got a major problem...

Arya Stark · 08-13-2013, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by misspoptart

I don't feel expected to talk about my life, but the conversations about non-music stuff always feel more lively.

I've posted a bunch of reviews and tried to start discussion, and it's hard for me to tell if people are just not interested, I'm an uninspiring writer, or they are just more excited about the Lounge. All I know is I get little feedback. I'm not saying this because I'm starving for attention. I'm saying this because on the biggest, most popular music forum on the internet, one would think a review of an artist that's never been discussed would attract at least a few comments. I don't know. Like I said, this could be purely about my tastes and writing style. So it's not a big deal. I just wanted to sympathize a bit with Rostasi on that.

I've already posted about this sentiment in the thread (see pages 4-7), and I only posted again to reinforce Rostasi's point and respond to him, since everyone else passed his comment by.

It might just be timing, or it could be that people aren't interested in the lounge or aren't sure what to say! I highly doubt it's anything against you! Before we met in this thread and a few others, I'd only heard ABOUT you, and everything I heard was complimenting you as a member here!

Don't be afraid or saddened when you don't get much feedback, it happens to all of us. I've talked a lot in here about discussions I've personally tried to start that have simply fizzled out, while others such as my "Criticizing Music Tastes" thread have really gotten some great discussion and opinions from members. It's simply timing, laziness, and a bunch of other factors that definitely don't have anything to do with your character!

misspoptart · 08-13-2013, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Arya Stark

It's simply timing, laziness, and a bunch of other factors that definitely don't have anything to do with your character!

Awww, thanks Arya. :3 Your whole comment was very sweet. Like I said, I'm not worried, but other people (newbs) might have a hard time finding their "niche." I'm happy to contribute!

sopsych · 08-13-2013, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by misspoptart

Hey guys, thanks for the encouragement. TH, you are also a talented writer, and I've seen you admit many times that you know your journals don't get as many comments as you'd like. I find your perseverance admirable! Keep on keepin' on!

Also, I think you and Plank's comments really respond to the point duga was originally making. I'm happy to go on providing content for MB without any validation, and I think others are, too. Yet others are here to read avidly and contribute only sometimes. duga, people get worked up about the little things on MB and in real life, and just because the bad sometimes drowns out the good content, it doesn't mean that we've got a major problem. It simply means that members' priorities are different.

If newbs don't stick around, it's not because they see the drama, get involved in it, and feel unwelcome... I bet it's because they didn't find a niche. And...I think that's okay.

I disagree. Sometimes it is related to the drama. I think new members who start threads (outside the Introductions section) are particularly likely to get mad and leave (I didn't get pissed about MB until I made some threads). Because this is duga's thread and he is a mod, I think he should do a statistical investigation of that, looking at 40 non-spamming members who joined in 2013 and tried to start music discussion. Not that all of those members were worth keeping around, but certainly proactive new members is what the site needs.

Neapolitan · 08-14-2013, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by misspoptart

Hey guys, thanks for the encouragement. TH, you are also a talented writer, and I've seen you admit many times that you know your journals don't get as many comments as you'd like. I find your perseverance admirable! Keep on keepin' on!

Also, I think you and Plank's comments really respond to the point duga was originally making. I'm happy to go on providing content for MB without any validation, and I think others are, too. Yet others are here to read avidly and contribute only sometimes. duga, people get worked up about the little things on MB and in real life, and just because the bad sometimes drowns out the good content, it doesn't mean that we've got a major problem. It simply means that members' priorities are different.

If newbs don't stick around, it's not because they see the drama, get involved in it, and feel unwelcome... I bet it's because they didn't find a niche. And...I think that's okay.

I agree. I won't mentioned any names but I befriended a few new members in the shut box who were new we talked a bit (you know before they left the site) and it wasn't because of drama it was for their own personal reasons why they left. Even one of our staple members (i.e. GuitarBizarre) was frustrated at one point and felt like leaving (though I don't know for sure if it was because of the drama). I practically begged him not to leave.

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Originally Posted by sopsych

I disagree. Sometimes it is related to the drama. I think new members who start threads (outside the Introductions section) are particularly likely to get mad and leave (I didn't get pissed about MB until I made some threads). Because this is duga's thread and he is a mod, I think he should do a statistical investigation of that, looking at 40 non-spamming members who joined in 2013 and tried to start music discussion.

Yes, I agree I would also like to see duga do some statistical analyses at the 40 non-spamming members of 2013 who tried to start music discussion to find out just what the heck happened.

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Originally Posted by sopsych

Not that all of those members were worth keeping around, but certainly proactive new members is what the site needs.

If new members have some skin issues I don't think you should be bringing it up that they use Proactive.

VEGANGELICA · 08-14-2013, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

If it was up to me personally I would delete posts in there the moment that people start to criticise the person rather than addressing the topic in hand, and that's any post with any sort of criticism regardless of how much the topic has been discussed in it.
And that means any type of criticism, not just insults.

If people want that I'll do it.

I feel that's a good idea to delete posts when people criticize the person rather than the issue under debate.

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Originally Posted by sopsych

Be very specific in posted guidelines about what will get posts deleted (for example, name-calling). But understand that if mods are actively part of that drama, deletions will be seen as unfair (mods above the law) and if moderators refrain from fighting, they'll be 'punished' less with complaints about deletions.

I agree with your suggestion about moderators deleting name-calling and avoiding participating in drama.

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Originally Posted by LoathsomePete

I made this suggestion in the Mod forum but I think it's worth bringing up here given how many people are interested in doing something about the state of the Lounge.

What if it was so lounge posts didn't show up when you clicked New Posts. The people who enjoy the lounge still get to post there and all the threads remain the same, but instead they don't overshadow posts made in the music forums.

I like your idea of lounge posts not showing up when one clicks on 'New Posts' since this would focus attention on the music contributions that many people want to encourage here.

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

I really don't think this is an appropriate thread for labelling individual members as trolls, sock puppets, or whatever, when the whole point of it in the first place was to discuss ways of getting away from that.
Would it really hurt to judge the tone of the matter being discussed and bite your tongue once in a while?

I agree with you that we should not label or debate openly whether other members are trolls. Debating openly whether a member is a troll is hurtful if she isn't trolling, and simply encourages her if trolling is her objective.

djchameleon · 08-15-2013, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by VEGANGELICA

I like your idea of lounge posts not showing up when one clicks on 'New Posts' since this would focus attention on the music contributions that many people want to encourage here.

I don't know if you read the entire thread or not but that's a technical limitation that might not be able to have happen.

Plus screw you music lovers, I want to see new posts from lounge posts :P

It's like you are treating members like sheep and they need to be herding over to the music section of the site so they can't see a lounge post because god forbid they don't feel like talking about music for one day or might not have something to say at this point in time and want to goof off a little bit.

misspoptart · 08-15-2013, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

I don't know if you read the entire thread or not but that's a technical limitation that might not be able to have happen.

Plus screw you music lovers, I want new posts from lounge posts :P

It's like you are treating members like sheep and they need to be herding over to the music section of the site so they can't see a lounge post because god forbid they don't feel like talking about music for one day or might not have something to say at this point in time and want to goof off a little bit.

Technical implausibility aside, what's so hard about clicking on the Lounge instead of new posts?? I really don't get why it would be so detrimental to the "fun" side of the forum.

djchameleon · 08-15-2013, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by misspoptart

Technical implausibility aside, what's so hard about clicking on the Lounge instead of new posts?? I really don't get why it would be so detrimental to the "fun" side of the forum.

it's not detrimental but the point I was getting at is that it's perfectly fine the way it is.

What's so hard about clicking on the specific music forum that you want to post in if you want to have a discussion about music?

Urban Hat€monger ? · 08-15-2013, 05:31 AM

I don't see the point of implementing software for something that seem to me to be totally pointless,annoying & intrusive.

Remember this is about creating ideas for people to be more active in the music forums and trying to get people to stop getting into silly arguments & winding people up just to get a reaction.

It's not about stopping people from posting in the Lounge.

duga · 08-15-2013, 07:01 PM

sopsych, you are now required to say something positive about the site. We get you have complaints and while you may have some good ideas, they are masked by the torrential outpour of just negativity.

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Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	I don't see the point of implementing software for something that seem to me to be totally pointless,annoying & intrusive. Remember this is about creating ideas for people to be more active in the music forums and trying to get people to stop getting into silly arguments & winding people up just to get a reaction. It's not about stopping people from posting in the Lounge. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

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duga MB quadrant's JM Vincent Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 3,762	sopsych, you are now required to say something positive about the site. We get you have complaints and while you may have some good ideas, they are masked by the torrential outpour of just negativity. __________________ Confusion will be my epitaph...