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Old 10-26-2021, 03:28 PM   #7231 (permalink)
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you can say trans identity exists regardless of transition but so does sex. There would be nothing wrong with their sex if they didn't specifically feel like it clashes with their identity. Thus to say there's something wrong with their sex is implicitly acknowledging that they're is something negative about their condition. If they were born with the same exact sex but no trans identity issues then there would be no issue at all..
yeah but (apart from some trans people not finding treatment necessary, and at least my rule of thumb definition of an illness/disorder is that it needs treatment) the implication is that there is something wrong in the identity itself beyond the sex aspect. Re: religious cult etc.
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Old 10-26-2021, 03:30 PM   #7232 (permalink)
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We are getting extra nitpicky here but i also don't think condition implies it's something you can treat or even get over.

It just implies something sorta abnormal which causes issues.

But ironically enough i am not that married to calling it a condition like i said just seems like a semantic distinction to me but for the ones who undergo different forms of therapy or surgery that would definitely fall under the categorization of "treatment." Which you havent actually disputed we might just disagree on what is being treated. You frame it as the birth sex which is being treated where as i think it's whatever hang ups they have about their birth sex..
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Old 10-26-2021, 03:31 PM   #7233 (permalink)
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Because trans identity needs to be shaken off

If you just wanted to make a nature vs nurture point taking cultism as an example is odd at best
It doesn't need to be shaken off. My point is that identity and your tendencies and the things that you consider your "identity" are all tied to your biology in some way. It's both interesting and scary because you wonder how many of your choices in life tend to get tied to those things as well. I thought a few years back that with the advent of CRISPR and more gene therapies you'd see society a little further along by now in regards to being able to grapple with this stuff (and be more accepting in general) but progress is slow.
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Old 10-26-2021, 03:33 PM   #7234 (permalink)
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The point I was making about religion posts ago was that some people are born, brain chemistry-wise, with a stronger tendency toward religious thinking as they grow and mature. It's not just an environmental factor. The point there was that if you are born with that tendency as opposed to not, it's harder to shake something like that off as you get older..
Dude, your phrasing is next level ignorant at the moment. Go sit down or something.

*A sentence that Ant sees no problem with...*

"Golly, I sure am glad I'm on the right side of things and seeing these inferior genetic lottery losers we call black people as equals."

WHAT? WHAT I SAY? I SAID THEY ARE EQUALS.
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Also i feel like transness has become vague to the point of almost incoherent when you talk about trans people who experience 0 gender dysphoria and 0 treatment and just dye their hair pink and can themselves non binary or whatever... What i am talking about applies more to the vast majority of trans people who are specifically either mtf or ftm, usually the former.
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Man really thought crispr was gonna holocaust the trans into God-fearing regular cisfolk.
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"Golly, I sure am glad I'm on the right side of things and seeing these inferior genetic lottery losers we call black people as equals."

WHAT? WHAT I SAY? I SAID THEY ARE EQUALS.
Lol you guys just can't help yourselves can you. Freudian slip there?

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Man really thought crispr was gonna holocaust the trans into God-fearing regular cisfolk.
How about you go to the hospital and do a few therapies and see how much that'll cost ya.
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Lol you guys just can't help yourselves can you. Freudian slip there?
I was saying that's what you sound like.
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I was saying that's what you sound like.
Lol why would you suddenly drive the Race Trolley right into the middle of the hall like that. Race isn't a biological factor where people consider spending tens of thousands of dollars in surgeries and hormonal therapies to achieve a specific goal. Having better gene therapies would make their lives a hellluva lot easier no matter what they want to do. And as jwb pointed out, what if a man could become a woman in like 1 week at minimal cost? Or vice versa. That would be an amazing thing.
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