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View Poll Results: Hate Crimes?
Yes 14 34.15%
No 22 53.66%
I Don't Know 2 4.88%
I Don't Care 3 7.32%
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Old 04-12-2008, 10:35 PM   #41 (permalink)
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That's the dumbest thing ever when you're under the influence of drugs or alcohol you have know idea of what you're doing it's called blacking out
If you're high/drunk enough to kill someone then you need more than 10 years prison sentence imo.
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Old 04-12-2008, 10:36 PM   #42 (permalink)
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If you're high/drunk enough to kill someone then you need more than 10 years prison sentence imo.
Killing someone in an altered state of mind when you have no idea what you're actually doing is worse than killing someone in a clear state of mind when they're completely aware of their actions?
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Old 04-12-2008, 10:36 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Yeah but what about involuntary manslaughter? What if you were on a roof and you leaned and some rubble fell off and killed someone? By your logic they deserve to the same punishment as someone who loaded up their shotgun and went and blew someones head off. You also ignored the second half of my post, I requote "In addition to that if you killed someone who was shooting up a school I'd guess you'd have to go to jail for murder than right?"
You are nitpicking and looking for a reason to discount his opinion when the reasons you are pointing out don't apply.

He is saying murder. Intentionally killing someone. Manslaughter is not in the discussion. Whipping out your .45 and killing somebody for being *** or black or mexican or winking at your wife or stealing your car or selling your sister meth. It is murder. It is intentionally taking another life. The reason doesn't change the end result.
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Old 04-12-2008, 10:37 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Yeah but "they deserve to face trial for what they did. Not why they did it." Both murdered people.
You can take anything to an extreme to prove a point. There's a line that you cross, in this case self-defense and intention are the two lines.
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You can take anything to an extreme to prove a point. There's a line that you cross, in this case self-defense and intention are the two lines.
You're contradicting yourself though you'd said the why isn't important its the what. I'm just pointing out the giant flaw in your argument.
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Killing someone in an altered state of mind when you have no idea what you're actually doing is worse than killing someone in a clear state of mind when they're completely aware of their actions?
Not morally, but in terms of it's effect on society, yes.
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Yeah but "they deserve to face trial for what they did. Not why they did it." Both murdered people.
Yes, face trial for what they did. Not be sentenced based on why they did it.
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Not morally, but in terms of it's effect on society, yes.
Morality is subjective and what effects on society?

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Yes, face trial for what they did. Not be sentenced based on why they did it.
I'm just using Proggy's logic.
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You're contradicting yourself though you'd said the why isn't important its the what. I'm just pointing out the giant flaw in your argument.
Predator beat me to it.
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Morality is subjective and what effects on society?
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The effect of someone dying...Who was attacked...
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