The Wow I Can't Believe That News Story Thread

[Chula Vista]

Originally Posted by Frownland

1. It is the same as giving the go ahead for corruption.
2. There are no sides based on my personal ideology because of 1, among many other things. What more often happens is that people base their ideology on the side they were born into or opposite of one that they've rejected.
3. Lack of real action.

1. Fair enough. But doesn't it matter who the corruption is going to hurt most?
2. My ideology has evolved pretty much every decade based on experience, changes in my life station, and seeing the fallout form the different administrations through the years. Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, GWHB, Clinton, GWH, Obama, and now Bozo.

3. Yes and no. **** does get done. It's just not the major revolution that a lot of folks wish for. It's always going to be really small baby steps as long as the foxes are guarding the hen-house - which is how the founding fathers framed it.

Trump is boasting that if he were convicted of collusion and other crimes that might lead to impeachment, he'll simply pardon himself.

These are the dudes to blame in the end.



To quote Neil Peart: "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice." Why not make the choice matter, if in even the slightest incremental way?

Like I said, I don't get the mentality.

[Chula Vista]

Originally Posted by elphenor

I'm with you on this, small decisions in a complex system can have large reaching impact

though mostly it's not my liberties that are threatened, the vote is more to prevent something like the current inhumanity at the border

Amen.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Chula Vista

1. Fair enough. But doesn't it matter who the corruption is going to hurt you most?

Yep. Awarding corruption by acting in a reactionary way to other brands of corruption is not going to be a path I take though.

3. Yes and no. **** does get done. It's just not the major revolution that a lot of folks wish for. It's always going to be really small baby steps as long as the foxes are guarding the hen-house - which is how the founding fathers framed it.

**** gets done unevenly and ineffectively because many of the platforms that politicians run on (like immigration or healthcare) are not issues that they actually want to solve because they drive people to the polls.

Trump is boasting that if he were convicted of collusion and other crimes that might lead to impeachment, he'll simply pardon himself.

I really don't care about what he says until he does it tbh. He shouts crazy **** because he knows it'll take the spotlight off of his policy if people get wrapped up in silly hypotheticals.

These are the dudes to blame in the end.

Definitely, they made a short-sighted system that devolved into an oligarchy.

To quote Neil Peart: If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice. Why not make the choice matter, if in even the slightest incremental way?

Supporting a politician would matter a lot to me because it would mean that I've abandoned my morals. I think I'll pass.

[Frownland]

If it makes it easier to understand, I can soften my stance by saying that voting for politicians is only reprehensible when you're voting for one of the two US party monoliths. Also, it's actually just one monolith.

[Chula Vista]

Fair enough. I actually do get your point of view. I guess, unfortunately, I'm a bit more vested into our **** system.

[Frownland]

I think we just made MB history by having a civil disagreement.

[Key]

Told ya this place is doing better.

[Chula Vista]

Originally Posted by Frownland

I think we just made MB history by having a civil disagreement.

I like this better. We're really close proximity-wise man. It's gonna happen. Beers and burgers.

[OccultHawk]

This border thing is nice to rile up Trump hate but whoever else you vote for is going to do plenty that out nasties this. This has become a disportionate cause célèbre.

I agree it’s horrible but we’ve been destroying families for no good reason forever.

I’ve worked with dozens, maybe even hundreds of children, whose mothers and fathers were locked up for non-violent drug offenses and tickytack parole/probation violations. I’ve watched students google mugshots so they could share with their classmates pictures of their parents. And the border kids are eating square meals and playing soccer. I’m not saying it’s not wrong but alternative candidates (the Clintons) led the charge that decimated millions of mostly black families. And many of these kids are left malnourished.

[Key]

Originally Posted by Chula Vista

I like this better. We're really close proximity-wise man. It's gonna happen. Beers and burgers.

Or you two should come up here.