The Wow I Can't Believe That News Story Thread

[Lucem Ferre]

Originally Posted by Frownland

Yes, it provides the Catholic church with social value in numbers because if I tell someone that I'm a Catholic and they decide to check it out, they're going to find some wing of the rape institution to learn about it.

Again, it goes to the lack of holding their priests accountable though it doesn't mean being Catholic means you support pedophilia unless it's doctrine. You're completely reaching to justify hating Catholics.

How is the idea of holding every catholic accountable for what a bunch of priests have done any different than the type of bigotry you scrutinized [merit] for having towards Jews despite [merit] claiming that his disdain was only towards Jewish people he felt were secretly influencing world events? Seems like you're cherry picking which religion it's okay to be bigoted towards. As well as spreading the same kind of hateful propaganda.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Again, it goes to the lack of holding their priests accountable though it doesn't mean being Catholic means you support pedophilia unless it's doctrine. You're completely reaching to justify hating Catholics.

I'm reaching past doctrine and grabbing actions. The bolded says it all.

[Lucem Ferre]

Originally Posted by Frownland

I'm reaching past doctrine and grabbing actions. The bolded says it all.

I'd debate that I really don't know enough about Catholic culture to know how true that is.

Could also be argued that being American we should be held responsible for what our country does. Still doesn't make it different that what you've accused [merit] of.

Edit: https://iowastartingline.com/2018/08...-church-abuse/

I'm sure there's much, much more evidence than this of Catholic outrage over what goes on in their church. What exactly do you suggest they do differently? Seems to me that plenty of people have tried and failed to have these priests held accountable. Most of them were probably Catholic since it's their children being raped.



More: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ca...-up-2018-08-20

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Seems to me that plenty of people have tried and failed to have these priests held accountable [for] their children being raped.

It's almost like this behaviour is so ingrained in the Catholic church that challenging it garners the same results from the institution as criticizing its doctrine.

[Lucem Ferre]

Originally Posted by Frownland

It's almost like this behaviour is so ingrained in the Catholic church that challenging garners the same results from the institution as criticizing its doctrine.

Note that it's from the institution and not from the religious. So how are the Catholics responsible for an institution that bullies them or actively prevents them from holding their church accountable?

Also, how are you not jumping to conclusions by assuming that being Catholic automatically means you aren't trying to hold the church accountable?

There's plenty of Catholics, even with in the system, that have tried and are disgusted. Yet you still think it's justifiable to hold them accountable just for having this belief despite the pedophilia having nothing to do with the belief.

Edit: How is this any different from your accusations towards [merit], or how is this any different from OH's bigotry towards Muslims for what happens with in their institutions?

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Note that it's from the institution and not from the religious. So how are the Catholics responsible for an institution that bullies them or actively prevents them from holding their church accountable?

By sticking with them once they recognize that the institution is a rape factory.

Also, how are you not jumping to conclusions by assuming that being Catholic automatically means you aren't trying to hold the church accountable?

Because they're supporting the institution.

There's plenty of Catholics, even with in the system, that have tried and are disgusted. Yet you still think it's justifiable to hold them accountable just for having this belief despite the pedophilia having nothing to do with the belief.

Those who have tried and failed but remain Catholic are basically supporting the disgusting institution on a conscious level by not rejecting it. Go to an orthodox church, it's not perfect, but it's basically the same doctrine. You can just cross your fingers on the tangential differences.

Edit: How is this any different from your accusations towards [merit], or how is this any different from OH's bigotry towards Muslims for what happens with in their institutions?

Shucks you got me.

My (falsely equivocated) hypocrisy established, any other thoughts on my ideas?

[Lucem Ferre]

Where's your proof that they still stick with that institution? You're assuming that there are no Catholics that aren't a bit more secular, that they all go to church, pay their 10% and ignore the scandals.

You think they should change their religion to avoid association? You think they should reject their own beliefs and conform to another similar institution just because you think being catholic makes you guilty? Being Catholic doesn't mean you support or are a part of the institution, it just means you have this belief.

Think about it, this is the same **** OH would say about Islam yet you'd reject that bigotry while supporting this one. The only difference is that the thing OH scrutinizes Islam for is ACTUALLY in their doctrine.

Edit: It's not falsely equivocated, it's basically the same exact thing. One's just less taboo than the other.

So how are the Muslims responsible for an institution that bullies them or actively prevents them from holding their church accountable?

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Where's your proof that they still stick with that institution? You're assuming that there are no Catholics that aren't a bit more secular, that they all go to church, pay their 10% and ignore the scandals.

You think they should change their religion to avoid association? You think they should reject their own beliefs and conform to another similar institution just because you think being catholic makes you guilty? Being Catholic doesn't mean you support or are a part of the institution, it just means you have this belief.

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Yes, it provides the Catholic church with social value in numbers because if I tell someone that I'm a Catholic and they decide to check it out, they're going to find some wing of the rape institution to learn about it.

^^

It's not like writing a million dollar check to the church, but it's supporting it nonetheless.

Think about it, this is the same **** OH would say about Islam yet you'd reject that bigotry while supporting this one. The only difference is that the thing OH scrutinizes Islam for is ACTUALLY in their doctrine.

I don't define all of Christianity by Catholicism.

[Lucem Ferre]

[Frownland]

How different do you think Catholicism is from other sects of Christianity when it comes to doctrine?


It's an important distinction to make.