The Wow I Can't Believe That News Story Thread

[OccultHawk]

*Barack

keep squirming but your asses are strapped to the electric chair

[DwnWthVwls]

Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg

I'm not pointing out your bias in this specific instance about Catholicism. I'm pointing out that you have a bias in another discussion. I thought you were asking in general.

I was just asking what is biased about my junkie argument, since you insist that there is some underlying bias in my position because I personally dislike junkies.

Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg

If a Catholic actively adheres to a specific Catholic religious leader who supports pedophilia then yes they are responsible for supporting pedophilia, but if they do not then they are not responsible for it. This is basic logic.

I'm glad we agree.

Calling them bad catholics doesnt make them less catholic, unless you want to argue on behalf of the scotsman.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

*Barack

keep squirming but your asses are strapped to the electric chair

Is this why you've stopped even attempting to argue any points and are cheerleading someone else?

[DwnWthVwls]

I'm just waiting for that *oh shit, I'm a derp* moment to settle in so we can get on to better topics.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

I was just asking what is biased about my junkie argument, since you insist that it is.

I mean we already had that discussion ad nauseum and I'm not really interested in restarting it tbh. I only brought it up as an example because you asked about you having bias in general.

I'm glad we agree.

Calling them bad catholics doesnt make them less catholic, unless you want to argue on behalf of the scotsman.

Again, Papal infallibility. If you disagree with or criticize the Pope then you are a bad Catholic. Catholics are expressly not allowed to disagree with the Church. In past centuries people would be excommunicated or burned at the stake for it but I imagine the Church realizes that this would be a non-starter in this day and age so Catholics have been given a level of unofficial autonomy not through doctrine but through pragmatism.

My grandfather is Catholic af but is a conservative who condemns the current Pope as a socialist and I'd say that makes him a bad Catholic.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

I'm just waiting for that *oh shit, I'm a derp* moment to settle in so we can get on to better topics.

I'm not sure why. I don't think we're super at odds in this discussion. I mean you didn't even know about Papal infallibility so I figured you'd take a moment to let that sink in and possibly alter your position since you are in fact more logical than most.

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg

Is this why you've stopped even attempting to argue any points and are cheerleading someone else?

Yep

You guys already agreed with me about Catholicism so that’s done

and I don’t have to make the point about Islam because dwv called you out when he went Nostradamus on your asses with the oppressed minority comment

I don’t have to argue it because it’s airtight. Everything you say just ups the voltage and that smell is your ass on fire.

You can bait and switch calling me hysterical or talking about junkies or whatever but your burnt ass flesh smells like bacon, son

Why would I turn down the voltage? ****’s funny.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Yep

You guys already agreed with me about Catholicism so that’s done

and I don’t have to make the point about Islam because dwv called you out when he went Nostradamus on your asses with the oppressed minority comment

I don’t have to argue it because it’s airtight. Everything you say just ups the voltage and that smell is your ass on fire.

You can bait and switch calling me hysterical or talking about junkies or whatever but your burnt ass flesh smells like bacon, son

Why would I turn down the voltage? ****’s funny.

Just ****ing embarrassing. I imagine DWV would rather not have this dimwit endorsement.

[DwnWthVwls]

Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg

Again, Papal infallibility. If you disagree with or criticize the Pope then you are a bad Catholic. Catholics are expressly not allowed to disagree with the Church. In past centuries people would be excommunicated or burned at the stake for it but I imagine the Church realizes that this would be a non-starter in this day and age so Catholics have been given a level of unofficial autonomy not through doctrine but through pragmatism.

My grandfather is Catholic af but is a conservative who condemns the current Pope as a socialist and I'd say that makes him a bad Catholic.

When did this argument turn into what makes a good or bad catholic? Who cares?

Are they catholic or not?

If yes, are the majority of them supporting rape and pedophilia? The answer is no.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

When did this argument turn into what makes a good or bad catholic? Who cares?

Are they catholic or not?

If yes, are the majority of them supporting rape and pedophilia? The answer is no.

It's very important because the reason why it is important is because Catholics ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DISAGREE WITH THE POPE. If we look at the issue in a modern, secular lens where most religious followers just kind of cherry pick what they do and do not support then Catholics are just like every other mainstream religion. Except all those other mainstream religions do not have centralized, authoritarian regimes that govern how their infrastructures (i.e. priests, bishops, and cardinals) operate. My point about "bad Catholics" is just to drive home just how authoritarian Catholicism is and the power of the Pope within the religion.

Most Catholics probably do not think about this but it doesn't at all change the fact that if the Pope doesn't like what a priest is doing then the Pope can defrock or excommunicate that priest, thereby removing him from his position with a wave of his hand, potentially for any reason, even simply because the Pope doesn't like the soccer team the priest supports. The story goes that the Pope was supposedly kept ignorant of the pedophilia by the bishops and cardinals so that he wouldn't be liable for any of it but he's been forced to be aware of it for years now and the Catholic Church has not made any significant changes to how it operates which is now on the Pope.

So if a modern Catholic continues to support the Church then they are supporting, tacitly or otherwise, anything the Church does that the Pope knows about.