The Wow I Can't Believe That News Story Thread

~~jwb~~ · 08-05-2019, 09:19 AM

I actually agree the human brain is the most impressive form of Intelligence on the planet

And the human brain was developed ad hoc through evolution. Humans have dominated the planet in the last 10,000 or so years through the introduction of agriculture which allows for specialization of labor which allows for an increase in technological developement. In the last 10,000 years the human race has changed the planet and their role on it more than they did for millions of years of homonid evolution preceding the agricultural revolution.

Once the industrial revolution happened this rapid pace of technological advancement sped up exponentially.

The idea of the singularity is based on the rapid developement of computing technology and so the basic trend suggests that the engineering capabilities of humans through technology evolves much quicker than any organism.

Seeing that this is the case I find it hard to believe that evolution was able to create the human brain but that the technology the human brain is creating won't eventually surpass that benchmark.

OccultHawk · 08-05-2019, 09:45 AM

A watermelon seed carries enough information to transform a backyard into a watermelon patch.

The human brain might be the most impressive 3 lbs in the entire universe.

It’s still a circular paradox that as far as we know the only thing impressed by the human brain is the human brain.

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Seeing that this is the case I find it hard to believe that evolution was able to create the human brain but that the technology the human brain is creating won't eventually surpass that benchmark

Surpass how though.

The Batlord · 08-05-2019, 09:52 AM

Can watermelons play free jazz?

~~jwb~~ · 08-05-2019, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

A watermelon seed carries enough information to transform a backyard into a watermelon patch.

The human brain might be the most impressive 3 lbs in the entire universe.

It’s still a circular paradox that as far as we know the only thing impressed by the human brain is the human brain.

It depends on the criteria you set. To me it's not about the density of information, by that criteria computers arguably already have humans beat. It's about the level of autonomy and adaptability. The ability to make complex decisions and entertain abstract thought.

Like the ants example... There's footage of leaf cutter ants being burned alive while trying to cut leaves. You can see their motor functioning slow down and contort, all the while never abandoning the mission of cutting leaves until they're burnt to a crisp.

This is because individually they behave based on a set of relatively simple rules. Collectively they make decisions as a colony based on the aggregate data collected by each ant following these simple rules and modes of behavior.

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Surpass how though.

every possible domain or criteria we use to measure human intelligence. Spatial memory, processing, abstract reasoning, you name it. There's no criteria that they can't potentially surpass us on. And since our own Intelligence is once again the result of ad hoc trial and error, it stands to reason that intentional design and engineering can produce systems that will do so in every domain. In some domains it has already happened. I won't speculate how far off we are from this, since our understanding of Neuroscience is very limited at this point.

~~jwb~~ · 08-05-2019, 11:26 AM

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Can watermelons play free jazz?

a watermelon can conduct an orchestra as long as they are playing 4'33"

**Frownland** · 08-05-2019, 11:31 AM

What would be the technological benefit of programming autonomy into AI? That's not something that I really see occurring out of nowhere.

OccultHawk · 08-05-2019, 11:34 AM

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What would be the technological benefit of programming autonomy into AI? That's not something that I really see occurring out of nowhere.

Autonomous drones with machine guns and visual recognition skills designed as a mechanism of genocide.

OccultHawk · 08-05-2019, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

What would be the technological benefit of programming autonomy into AI? That's not something that I really see occurring out of nowhere.

AGI can teach itself so why wouldn’t it potentially be able to teach itself to be autonomous?

OccultHawk · 08-05-2019, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

What would be the technological benefit of programming autonomy into AI? That's not something that I really see occurring out of nowhere.

Just because some programmer wanted to and didn’t give a **** about the consequences.

**Frownland** · 08-05-2019, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

AGI can teach itself so why wouldn’t it potentially be able to teach itself to be autonomous?

Why would it?

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	I actually agree the human brain is the most impressive form of Intelligence on the planet And the human brain was developed ad hoc through evolution. Humans have dominated the planet in the last 10,000 or so years through the introduction of agriculture which allows for specialization of labor which allows for an increase in technological developement. In the last 10,000 years the human race has changed the planet and their role on it more than they did for millions of years of homonid evolution preceding the agricultural revolution. Once the industrial revolution happened this rapid pace of technological advancement sped up exponentially. The idea of the singularity is based on the rapid developement of computing technology and so the basic trend suggests that the engineering capabilities of humans through technology evolves much quicker than any organism. Seeing that this is the case I find it hard to believe that evolution was able to create the human brain but that the technology the human brain is creating won't eventually surpass that benchmark.