The Wow I Can't Believe That News Story Thread

[jwb]

Originally Posted by elphenor

it's not dishonest when it's the bare truth

we can disagree with the methods (and Wolfe does)

but the proof is in the pudding

it's dishonest to not mention that you had to starve your own people by the millions to make it happen

It's not that their economy was actually more productive, it's that they seized every ounce of productive power that they could to fund the party's agenda. Like blood from a stone.

[jwb]

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

So what you're saying is the rich evil people that benefit off of capitalism framed them as communists as propaganda? Or that we just wrongfully interpreted them as communist?

they were failed experiments to produce actual communism. They were very intent on doing so and they openly preached communism so we saw them as communists. Which they were. They just didn't have the ability to fulfill their vision. In part cause it was a poorly thought out vision.

Not to say they are necessarily what a communist regime has to look like. They're just the biggest and most prominent examples of nations that tried to create Marx's utopia.

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by elphenor

and the US grew its economy on slave labor, exploitatation of immigrants, extreme central planning from the government, military dominance

you don't get a rich country because capitalism is The Best and all that standard nonesense

Church

[Anteater]

Originally Posted by elphenor

and the US grew its economy on slave labor, exploitatation of immigrants, extreme central planning from the government, military dominance

you don't get a rich country because capitalism is The Best and all that standard nonesense

It's nonsense to suggest that any form of communism would achieve a better result when the track record is worse than what we have.

Going by actual results, we should all be like Denmark and forego all other systems.

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by Anteater

It's nonsense to suggest that any form of communism would achieve a better result when the track record is worse than what we have.

Millions working 40 plus in bone grinding conditions wearing out hips and spines and can’t never see the doctor.

America is a Holocaust in denial. And I’m not being melodramatic. It ****ing is like that so **** all of you in advance for your predictable admonishments. Every restaurant in America has employees with lives not worth living. You can only get so dead. If you’re devastated you’re devastated.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by Anteater

It's nonsense to suggest that any form of communism would achieve a better result when the track record is worse than what we have.

Going by actual results, we should all be like Denmark and forego all other systems.

You don't even have to support any form of socialism to shake your head at that logic.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Millions working 40 plus in bone grinding conditions wearing out hips and spines and can’t never see the doctor.

America is a Holocaust in denial. And I’m not being melodramatic. It ****ing is like that so **** all of you in advance for your predictable admonishments. Every restaurant in America has employees with lives not worth living. You can only get so dead. If you’re devastated you’re devastated.

I'd say plenty of other countries do some form of this but other than that yeah.

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

I'd say plenty of other countries do some form of this but other than that yeah.

I live in THIS ****hole. I know first hand it sucks. That’s my song and imma keep singing it

[The Batlord]

And I mean spines and knees wearing out is terrible but at least people recognize that those wear out. Americans are so stressed out from all this **** they're gunning people down in the in schools and Walmarts just so someone will notice that they're angry and need help.

[Anteater]

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Millions working 40 plus in bone grinding conditions wearing out hips and spines and can’t never see the doctor.

"Millions"? Bull****. In the whole U.S. there are literally around 550k or so people working minimum wage according to the BLS. And even when you look at people right above that threshold, the total number is around 1.2 million, which represents literally only 2.3% of ALL people in the country who works a job that pays hourly.

I'd be interested in seeing unions coming back stronger and a lot of other changes though.