The Wow I Can't Believe That News Story Thread

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by Lord Larehip

Spoiler for TL;DR:

According to the Quran, THAT is exactly what Allah wants. Non-believers are to be converted and if they do not convert, they must be tortured and killed.

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

Note that the Quran is not referring to a military enemy but those that have committed the audacious crime of disbelief or non-belief. They are either to be killed or beaten into submission. Need more?

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Quran (17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction."

Quran (33:60-62) - "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter."

There is true Islam--kill your neighbors. Don't like their lifestyle? Slaughter them. If you don't, Allah will punish in the Hereafter:

Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place."

And those Muslims who refuse to take part in slaughtering and subjugating non-believers?

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"

According to Islam, pacifists are just lazy!!

The Quran and the Hadith are full of this garbage.

Question:
Does Islam permit a man to hit his wife?

Summary Answer:
Yes, but only if she doesn't do as he asks. The beating must cease if the woman complies with her husband's demands. Beating is also intended to be the last resort of coercing submission, behind verbal abuse and abandonment.

According her testimony in the Hadith, Muhammad, physically struck his favorite wife for leaving the house without his permission. It is not known how he treated his less-favored wives.

TheReligionofPeace - Islam: Can a Husband Beat His Wife?

And this is supposedly Allah actually speaking to Job:

Qur'an (38:44) - "And take in your hand a green branch and beat her with it, and do not break your oath..."

From the Hadith, which is a particularly barbaric document:

Bukhari (72:715) - A woman came to Muhammad and begged her to stop her husband from beating her. Her skin was bruised so badly that she it is described as being "greener" than the green veil she was wearing. Muhammad did not admonish her husband, but instead ordered her to return to him and submit to his sexual desires.

And yet, I still see women converting to Islam. Why don't they just jump into a wood-chipper and get it over with?

I thought nonbelievers were allowed to practice their own religion if they payed a tax, and only infidels at war with muslims were to be killed. But I guess not.

Again, why it is that religion should be free from public criticism is beyond me. Anyone with common sense ignores half of what their religion says, whether they realize it or not. And yet you can't even say this. If Islam is a religion of peace, then let it be criticized in public, and if it passes scrutiny then all well and good. But if it can't, then its nonsense and barbarism should be laid out for everyone to see, so that people can actually be informed about something that influences their lives and those of others.

[Lord Larehip]

If a man, holding a belief which he was taught in childhood or persuaded of afterwards, keeps down and pushes away any doubts which arise about it in his mind, purposely avoids the reading of books and the company of men that call into question or discuss it, and regards as impious those questions which cannot easily be asked without disturbing it—the life of that man is one long sin against mankind. ---W. K. Clifford

[Chula Vista]

Fear is the parent of cruelty, and therefore it is no wonder if cruelty and religion have gone hand-in-hand. It is because fear is at the basis of those two things. In this world we can now begin a little to understand things, and a little to master them by the help of science, which has forced its way step by step against the Christian religion, against the churches, and against the opposition of all the old precepts. Science can help us to get over this craven fear in which mankind has lived for so many generations. Science can teach us, and I think our own hearts can teach us, no longer to look around for imaginary supports, no longer to invent allies in the sky, but rather to look to our own efforts here below to make this world a fit place to live in, instead of the sort of place that the churches in all these centuries have made it.
-- Bertrand Russell

[Black Francis]

That's right, worship science it's way more practical.

[John Wilkes Booth]

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Is that where it gets logical/morally philosophical, and less "faithy"/ridiculous?

no, that's where they get rid of all the dumb old tribal rules with a divine get out of jail free card which specifically emphasizes faith in christ.

@JWB - I was just taking the opportunity to make a snide comment about religion. Nothing serious about that post.

and i was just taking the opportunity to make a **** joke.

[Soulflower]

Black people are in trouble.... sad what is going on with Cosby.

If they don't arrest that white cop in Ferguson....shakes my head. I am sick and tired of seeing innocent black male teens slain. Stop the racism and the violence!

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by Soulflower

Black people are in trouble

Cause it's been going so well the past few hundred years.

[Soulflower]

Whats sad is this racial epidemic (against young black males ) that has been going on for years is now coming to light but the government does not see it as a problem.

They will search for days to find a missing white girl but won't arrest a police officer who killed a innocent black teen.

I know this is nothing new but this epidemic needs to stop.

Trayvon Martin
Michael Brown

who's next?

Its almost like they are giving police officers permission to kills young black males

Sad.

I would think these two examples of what goes on every single day would bring light to a problem that needs to be addressed but it has not.

Black people are in trouble and need to talk to their boys because the police are targeting them.

[Frownland]

Well it's not on the government's part but many police stations are being proactive in the situation following Ferguson thinking "this could be us" and installing tie cameras for officers to wear. That's definitely a step in the right direction. Trayvon Martin was not killed by a police officer as well, so maybe epidemic is the wrong word. A serious issue? Yes, but epidemic implies that it's happening to millions.

[Cuthbert]

Correct me and point out my ignorance if I'm wrong.

A lad has a toy/replica gun and someone phones the police. He is asked to put his hands up and reaches for the gun.

What do people expect the coppers to do? There's been kids shooting in schools over there before.

A 12 year old should be bright enough to realise he's going to be shot dead by police if he goes waving an imitation gun about

USA + their gun laws + their attitude towards firearms = an accident waiting to happen. Forever.