The Wow I Can't Believe That News Story Thread

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by jwb

@ elph

Basically you agree that judging a particular social norm relies on you imposing your own social norms on someone who doesn't necessarily share them.

And you also see morality as subjective.

So by what standard do you actually condemn any cultural or social norm? By your own particular subjective (culturally and socially influenced) set of norms that you happen to abide by? So saying they "aren't justified" is just saying they don't share your particular rule book.

Got em!

@elph

[jwb]

^lol..

[Lucem Ferre]

Originally Posted by elphenor

harm or help if a DUI carried the death penalty?

Seems like a disproportionate response so it'd be harmful.

It also stems from the idea that criminals need to be punished rather than rehabilitated which is also harmful.

Realizing what's actually harmful kind of pushes social norms other wise we'd still own slaves because we'd have never questioned it.

[jwb]

Well you did specifically say biology doesn't make it justified. Which I agree.. that's a fallacy. But the only thing that does or doesn't make it justified is your own provincial form of morality. Which as you noted is just one among many subjective standards.

[jwb]

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Seems like a disproportionate response so it'd be harmful.

It also stems from the idea that criminals need to be punished rather than rehabilitated which is also harmful.

Realizing what's actually harmful kind of pushes social norms other wise we'd still own slaves because we'd have never questioned it.

people still own slaves.

[Lucem Ferre]

Originally Posted by elphenor

I think it would reduce some drunk driving if there could never be a repeat (caught) offender

saving a bunch of lives

in a utilitarian view this seems like a good move

Again, that's because you've never lived in a society that focuses on rehabilitation rather than punishment so people who do it once are prone to do it again.

I think that kind of dictatorship would be harmful to the mental health of the people.

Smoking and not wearing a seat belt are your prerogative. Letting you maintain control of what you do with your body even if it's self harm is less harm than taking your freedom which would have a huge negative impact on your mental health.

[jwb]

Originally Posted by elphenor

I think it would reduce some drunk driving if there could never be a repeat (caught) offender

saving a bunch of lives

in a utilitarian view this seems like a good move

to be fair you're not figuring in the suffering said policy would cause

[Lucem Ferre]

Originally Posted by jwb

people still own slaves.

Not in the United States.

[jwb]

So our morality is more evolved?

[Lucem Ferre]

Originally Posted by elphenor

this is pretty washy

Yeah, where are you lost?

Even then, lets say we have a problem with drunk drivers. Is it more helpful to just kill them all or is it more helpful to provide better resources to prevent drunk driving?