The Wow I Can't Believe That News Story Thread

[Goofle]

Id rather have better roads and services and healthcare and teaching etc. for everyone than simply funding all black people to go to college.

[djchameleon]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

Alright, let's say that we did the whole thing with giving black people free education. I'm not denying that aftereffects of slavery and Jim Crow and segregation and etc have hamstrung the black community to a very real extent, but whereas affirmative action, even if you support it, is at its very core an unfair practice, it does not create so massive a gap of fairness as making whites sign their life away to the student loan Nazis while giving blacks a free pass.

I'm not necessarily against free college education for all, assuming it can be made workable, but if you start with blacks then where is the end game? Do they get free education for the rest of eternity? Does one generation just get the shaft when the government decides that the policy has outlived its usefulness? Do the rest of us all of a sudden start getting education for free once there's at least a reasonable amount of equality?

I'm honestly not dead set against the idea, as like I said, the last four hundred years have dug a hole that black people are still trying to dig out of, but free education just for blacks just sounds like possibly a terrible idea.

Do you realize why there was a need for affirmative action in the first place? The regular system was already leaning heavily on giving whites that privilege, advantage and just unfair pass over other minorities. Goofle is acting like it's such a horror to only give blacks something when the way the system is, it is already in a sweet spot where whites are having an greater advantage than any other race. The only unrealistic thing about reparations is that they will NEVER occur as far as whites are in the position to stop it. They don't want to lose any of their privileges. What's wrong with free education for the rest of eternity? It creates a skilled labor force to fill jobs that severely need people. I feel like more STEM jobs would end up getting filled and it would be good for the nation as a whole.

Originally Posted by Frownland

We could easily direct some of the money from our bloated military budget and be fine.

The thing about the bloated military budget is that. They keep cutting back from the troops while increasing this budget. The majority of that money goes to civilian contractor groups that are doing jobs that our troops should be doing. While they go around closing down bases and buying up more tanks and other weapons. Do you think they even care to buy more updated equipment to protect our troops? FUCK NO.

Originally Posted by The Batlord

I'm honestly not so worried about the money issue, though taking money away from "OUR TROOPS" and giving it to those damn niggers isn't going to be a winning platform for anyone looking to win an office in a non-democratic stronghold. So yeah, no matter how well the idea might work, the political climate in America still makes it virtually impossible to push through.

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Originally Posted by Goofle

Id rather have better roads and services and healthcare and teaching etc. for everyone than simply funding all black people to go to college.

That's nice and all but the government doesn't currently give a fuck about any of that. It's also nice to see where your priorities are but I guess it makes sense since you wouldn't be included in the education aspect. The current taxes that are being taken out barely go to roads and services. I don't know about the UK but in the US our infrastructure sucks ass and is in severe need of being updating but all this time they are still taking taxes away from people while not applying it to that. The crap part of taxes is that you don't get to decide what it goes to but they still come around and take it. They funnel it where ever they see fit and majority of the time those lofty things that you listed get so few of those tax dollars that they are still struggling.

[William_the_Bloody]

Originally Posted by djchameleon

Do you realize why there was a need for affirmative action in the first place? The regular system was already leaning heavily on giving whites that privilege, advantage and just unfair pass over other minorities. Goofle is acting like it's such a horror to only give blacks something when the way the system is, it is already in a sweet spot where whites are having an greater advantage than any other race. The only unrealistic thing about reparations is that they will NEVER occur as far as whites are in the position to stop it. They don't want to lose any of their privileges. What's wrong with free education for the rest of eternity? It creates a skilled labor force to fill jobs that severely need people. I feel like more STEM jobs would end up getting filled and it would be good for the nation as a whole.




The thing about the bloated military budget is that. They keep cutting back from the troops while increasing this budget. The majority of that money goes to civilian contractor groups that are doing jobs that our troops should be doing. While they go around closing down bases and buying up more tanks and other weapons. Do you think they even care to buy more updated equipment to protect our troops? FUCK NO.



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That's nice and all but the government doesn't currently give a fuck about any of that. It's also nice to see where your priorities are but I guess it makes sense since you wouldn't be included in the education aspect. The current taxes that are being taken out barely go to roads and services. I don't know about the UK but in the US our infrastructure sucks ass and is in severe need of being updating but all this time they are still taking taxes away from people while not applying it to that. The crap part of taxes is that you don't get to decide what it goes to but they still come around and take it. They funnel it where ever they see fit and majority of the time those lofty things that you listed get so few of those tax dollars that they are still struggling.

Free education for black Americans? Interesting idea, but it would never happen. People aren't going to vote to have their taxes raised if doesn't benefit them, particularly if they see it's going to put them at an competitive disadvantage, relative to another group in society. Even if you took the money from the defense budget, it would most likely cause animosity amongst other racial groups, not just whites.

People only have political power in so much that the Democrats or Republicans need your vote. The Democrats have had Black Americans solidly in their corner since the 1960's, so unless they threaten on mass to vote Republican if they don't get free education, no movement on that front will ever happen. Even if they did, the Democrats would risk losing solidly white working class states like Pennsylvania, Ohio and Wisconsin over the issue, I imagine California, Florida and New Mexico would be at risk to.

As someone who is paying off the indentured servitude of student loans, I'm a strong advocate of free post secondary education for everyone, but that is a reality in North America that will never happen. (Canada or the US) so the best we can opt for is bursaries for people coming from low income backgrounds. That and voting for parties that will lower tuition for everyone.

[RoxyRollah]

It might befinit you WTB to stop saying it'll never happen...Ive seen things in the last year I never thought would happen.

[djchameleon]

Originally Posted by William_the_Bloody

Free education for black Americans? Interesting idea, but it would never happen. People aren't going to vote to have their taxes raised if doesn't benefit them, particularly if they see it's going to put them at an competitive disadvantage, relative to another group in society. Even if you took the money from the defense budget, it would most likely cause animosity amongst other racial groups, not just whites.

People only have political power in so much that the Democrats or Republicans need your vote. The Democrats have had Black Americans solidly in their corner since the 1960's, so unless they threaten on mass to vote Republican if they don't get free education, no movement on that front will ever happen. Even if they did, the Democrats would risk losing solidly white working class states like Pennsylvania, Ohio and Wisconsin over the issue, I imagine California, Florida and New Mexico would be at risk to.

As someone who is paying off the indentured servitude of student loans, I'm a strong advocate of free post secondary education for everyone, but that is a reality in North America that will never happen. (Canada or the US) so the best we can opt for is bursaries for people coming from low income backgrounds. That and voting for parties that will lower tuition for everyone.

Exactly it will never happen. I don't know why other people are getting their panties twisted in a bunch over it. It's an unrealistic lofty dream that won't happen.

Reparations should have happened so long ago when the event actually occurred about banning slavery. Lincoln should have included it with the release of slaves.

Personally, I would much rather prefer my 40 acres and a mule which by today's standards should be a deed to some land and a car. I don't car if said car is a KIA but they would probably go america and give us a Ford Focus or something along those lines.

The only people that should be entitled to reparations are direct descendants of slaves and the only ones that should be footing the bill are people that are directly connected to slave owners. I know they would bitch moan and complain about paying for the sins of their fathers but your fathers fucked up and you gotta pay ho.

[Cuthbert]

Originally Posted by djchameleon

The only people that should be entitled to reparations are direct descendants of slaves and the only ones that should be footing the bill are people that are directly connected to slave owners. I know they would bitch moan and complain about paying for the sins of their fathers but your fathers fucked up and you gotta pay ho.

No that's ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

The only people that should be entitled to reparations are direct descendants of slaves and the only ones that should be footing the bill are people that are directly connected to slave owners. I know they would bitch moan and complain about paying for the sins of their fathers but your fathers fucked up and you gotta pay ho.

So... If my father passes away with a mountain of debt, by your logic, I should inherit it simply because my father fucked up in life. That's not right. Im not responsible for my father's actions.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by 1blankmind

So... If my father passes away with a mountain of debt, by your logic, I should inherit it simply because my father fucked up in life. That's not right. Im not responsible for my father's actions.

That is literally how the world works right now. You will likely inherit your parents' debt.

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Originally Posted by Frownland

That is literally how the world works right now. You will likely inherit your parents' debt.

I know that. And that's not my point.

[Frownland]

I don't really agree with reparations either, but deej's model makes more sense than any other I've seen. That's because the families who owned slaves were rich as **** and it is extraordinarily likely that that wealth was carried on throughout the generations. That means that the lifestyle that these people can afford was built on the backs of slaves, I think they can share a little bit of the cut. Obviously there should be exceptions and all that when it comes down to individual cases, but you could make them exempt.