The Wow I Can't Believe That News Story Thread

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by elphenor

what's logical is to determine which policies you agree with and to realize you can't get 100% of what you want from either party but they are not the same

Strawman argument. Banned.

one party will give you 35% or whatever

And over time you make gains this way

Is it establishment week at school or something? Party politics is disgusting.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by elphenor

it's political reality week

Ah yes, living in reality, the battle cry of those who are unable to back up their stance.

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by Frownland

More like "I have the right to think one of two things, and I demand that my binary decision be counted."

Our limited options are constructed and established by a machine that's not in our control. The fact that voting is touted as a key example of Americans' liberty is a slap in the face as far as I'm concerned. Voting is part of what keeps those wheels turning.

Right on!

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by elphenor

you can't neglect short term victories for long term ideology

the freedoms we enjoy today were won through long arduous political and legal battles

these "freedoms" can get ****ed

[Chula Vista]

Originally Posted by Frownland

And thinking that it's wrong because you kinda like one side better is pretty illogical too don't you think.

What's illogical is cynical ****s like you who think they are some sort of authoritive voice, and who prop themselves up by dissing on anyone who's actually open to the system and care about the legistlative process in regard to issues like:

Women's rights
Gun control
Social Security
Healthcare
The environment
Taxes
Corporate regulations

Just to name a few.

There are extreme fundamental differences between the two parties (yes, two - who actually have a chance of getting elected) that some people give a **** about.

Perfect example: http://e360.yale.edu/digest/epa-anno...ean-power-plan

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by elphenor

my stance is that policy is King

and you sort of just confirm my notion that it hardly matters to you

Tbh I think that the biggest threat to our nation is the corporate oligarchy, which is what makes "both sides are ****in garbage" a valid statement given that neither side wants to make any moves away from that.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Chula Vista

What's illogical is cynical ****s like you who think they are some sort of authoritive voice

I'm flattered, but I do not think I am an authoritative voice. Anyways, I fail to see how cynicism is separate from logic. It's not like being naive is any better.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by elphenor

I agree and I think for big anti-establishment moves a constitutional amendment against this would serve us much better than 8 different parties bought by different industries

That's why there needs be variety + accountability.

Ultimately there's one party who has a wing interested in fighting this

I see that wing splitting off before it begins flapping in unison with the much larger, older wing.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by Chula Vista

What's illogical is cynical ****s like you who think they are some sort of authoritive voice, and who prop themselves up by dissing on anyone who's actually open to the system and care about the legistlative process in regard to issues like:

Women's rights
Gun control
Social Security
Healthcare
The environment
Taxes
Corporate regulations

Just to name a few.

There are extreme fundamental differences between the two parties (yes, two - who actually have a chance of getting elected) that some people give a **** about.

Perfect example: http://e360.yale.edu/digest/epa-anno...can-power-plan

Says the guy willing to vote for fake liberals like Hillary Clinton simply because she actually had a chance at winning. Not voting third-party because they can't win is pretty ****ing cynical.

[Lisnaholic]

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

But people who get elected usually act like receiving votes gives them the right to govern. I have written "**** you" on the ballot before.

^ Well, that's a nice Quixotic gesture that many of us probably feel inclined to make at least once in our lives. Unfortunately, it's entirely futile. Who counts votes? You probably offended some poor lady working part-time on a minimal wage.

Originally Posted by Frownland

More like "I have the right to think one of two things, and I demand that my binary decision be counted."

^ Except that voting doesn't dictate thinking and that not all ballot papers offer binary decisions. Apart from those reservations, I'm prepared to agree with whatever's left of your statement.

Our limited options are constructed and established by a machine that's not in our control. The fact that voting is touted as a key example of Americans' liberty is a slap in the face as far as I'm concerned. Voting is part of what keeps those wheels turning.

^ If the US system resembles the Brit system, there's nothing to prevent third parties and independent candidates turning up on the ballot. And surely voting is a key example of Americans' liberty? However unrepresentitively the votes are tallied, it's still notionally democratic and imo is worth supporting, given the absence of anything better.