The Wow I Can't Believe That News Story Thread

[[MERIT]]

Okay guys, we can do hypothetical scenarios out the wazoo, but we're getting nowhere. We can either agree to disagree that you are not entitled to the labor of another person against their will, or we can keep arguing. You're coming at it from a gender/sex rights POV and I'm coming from a basic civil liberties view.

I can bottom line this. THE BAKERY WAS WRONG FOR DENYING THE GAY COUPLE A WEDDING CAKE. But, it should be the bakery's right to make the call.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[[MERIT]]

What if someone shoplifts from your store? Do you have the right to deny them entry henceforth?

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by [MERIT]

You're coming at it from a gender/sex rights POV and I'm coming from a basic civil liberties view.

The fact that you think this stance can only be held because someone supports LGBT rights only reveals how you formed your own opinion on the subject. My stance extends to everyone because that's how equal rights work, don't dismiss that because I also support LGBT rights.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by [MERIT]

What if someone shoplifts from your store? Do you have the right to deny them entry henceforth?

Yep. That would be denial based on someone's actions so it's not discrimination. How is that at all similar?

[[MERIT]]

Originally Posted by Frownland

The fact that you think this stance can only be held because someone supports LGBT rights only reveals how you formed your own opinion on the subject. My stance extends to everyone because that's how equal rights work, don't dismiss that because I also support LGBT rights.

Well, the case is fucked up all around. It entails the federal government FORCING a citizen to perform labor AGAINST THEIR WILL AND AGAINST THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS. We've got Fascism, Religion, Personal Liberties. All kinds of ethos in the mix.

[[MERIT]]

Originally Posted by Frownland

Yep. That would be denial based on someone's actions so it's not discrimination. How is that at all similar?

Having gay sex is an action. The bakers don't condone it.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by [MERIT]

It entails the federal government FORCING a citizen to perform labor AGAINST THEIR WILL AND AGAINST THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.

Offering your services to the public is a demonstration of your will to complete that service.

As per religious beliefs: those are respected until they affect the rights of others. As previously established, abridging privileges is the same as denying rights, so if your religious beliefs get in the way of someone else's rights as discussed in this scenario, then you do not have the right to own a business. Separate is inherently unequal.

Originally Posted by [MERIT]

Having gay sex is an action. The bakers don't condone it.

You don't have to have sex to be gay. New rule: no more false equivalencies. Guess we gotta end it here for you huh.

[[MERIT]]

No one is getting their point across, so let's just AGREE TO DISAGREE AND MOVE ON.

[[MERIT]]

Originally Posted by elphenor

if the "whole point" is that you could shop elsewhere

then where is there room for this "nobody is entitled to your labor" nonesense, basically

It's called FREE WILL.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by [MERIT]

No one is getting their point across, so let's just AGREE TO DISAGREE AND MOVE ON.

I get your point, I just disagree with it. Are you confused by mine? I'm doing my best to make it pretty clear.