The Wow I Can't Believe That News Story Thread

[Anteater]

Everything I've brought up about Clinton is in reference to the 2016 election, which is the same time frame that Mueller is investigating. Benghazi is too long ago to be relevant unfortunately.

[Frownland]

Clinton wasn't found guilty in the Benghazi investigation, therefore she could never be found guilty of money laundering. Quickmafs

[Lisnaholic]

^ Well, I'm certainly not saying that. It would be ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

Many of Trumps cries, allegations and promises have borne no fruit at all when tested in irl: "Lock her up","Obama is phone-tapping me", "Who will pay for the wall? Mexico!" If I were a Trump supporter, I'd be wondering by now why nothing has come of these claims; ....

^ In part, I'm saying that I've heard about HC's alleged crimes from a source I've learned not to trust:-

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.9535f48e67e7 = President Trump has made 4, 299 false claims in 558 days.

I'm just a villager in the fable about the boy who cried wolf; no longer taking Trump's claims seriously. Goes ditto for many GOP members, starting with Sean Spicer...

[Cuthbert]

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/09/01/eur...ntl/index.html

How surprising that many Germans don’t want to be annexed by Syria.

Link not working.

[Anteater]

The New York Times - Agents Tried to Flip Russian Oligarchs. The Fallout Spread to Trump.

I'm gonna guess it went a little something like this...

"Oh hai FBI, сука блять!"

"Hey we need your help to go after the Russian mob."

"Sure I could help with that."

"Also, can you become our informant and help us entrap the Trump campaign so it makes it look like they colluded with Putin?"

"No that sounds illegal."

"WE WILL DESTROY YOUR LIFFFEEEEEE!!!!!!1111"

[Chula Vista]

Originally Posted by Anteater

[URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/01/us/politics/deripaska-ohr-steele-fbi.html"]

Do you spend you entire days trying to find **** that will deflect from what's going on with your boy and his hood?

You never post about the legal stuff via Indictments, and plea deals, that actually damages Trump and his posse. Only stuff that you feel deflects. Why is that Ant?

In other news:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/01/polit...nts/index.html

[Lilja]

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/09/01/eur...ntl/index.html

How surprising that many Germans don’t want to be annexed by Syria.

I don't know about being annexed but everything that is happening there really isn't that surprising. Even in Sweden, there was a march in Stockholm just last week by the Nordic Resistance Movement (nazis) :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2uSNhHDVag

The whole thing in Germany with the German being killed is just fuel for the fire of people being angered over the whole immigration issue. I think that in the end, people are mad because of the benifits alloted to the refugees in terms of money, housing, etc.

I saw a Nazi just the other day at the train station (had Nordic resistance symbols all over and such). Honestly, I should be mad that this is happening. But I didn't say a word and just walked on by. And that is what many are doing in Germany, Sweden, etc. Just walking by because we are just tired of it all. And that is how I think, acceptance starts. And it is scary.

[OccultHawk]

You don’t let in a million immigrants from a dysfunctional culture in a very short time without getting some backlash. Merkel has overstepped. It’s an unfair burden on the working poor in Germany. It’s also an affront to their culture and they should have been given a say beforehand.

I think that in the end, people are mad because of the benifits alloted to the refugees in terms of money, housing, etc.

They should be. That’s government assistance they’ll never see.

[Lilja]

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

You don’t let in a million immigrants from a dysfunctional culture in a very short time without getting some backlash. Merkel has overstepped. It’s an unfair burden on the working poor in Germany. It’s also an affront to their culture and they should have been given a say beforehand.



They should be. That’s government assistance they’ll never see.

I think Merkel was trying to change Germany's image to a more positive one in terms of welcming refugees. But, like Sweden, there was an unchecked stream of refugees and neither Germany nor Sweden could support them all and continue to have a wide open door to them.

I think Sweden's next election is going to be really interesting because SD (Sweden Democrats) are getting alot of support here and they want to take away all these benifits that the refugees have gotten/curb migration/take away Dual Citizenship/etc. It's an interesting time.

[Anteater]

Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Do you spend you entire days trying to find **** that will deflect from what's going on with your boy and his hood?

You never post about the legal stuff via Indictments, and plea deals, that actually damages Trump and his posse. Only stuff that you feel deflects. Why is that Ant?

In other news:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/01/polit...nts/index.html

Because the indictments are irrelevant unless they actually come up with an end result of political consequence. The mainstream media is fixated on them because they're the new shiny object in the room.

Manafort and Cohen or anyone who isn't critical to Trump's administration going away or being fined is meaningless unless they had some critical information to pin down Trump. And based on how much backtracking Cohen's lawyer did after making false claims about the Trump Tower meeting, it appears that Mueller didn't get what he wanted from these exchanges or his team would have gone ahead and trumpeted an announcement immediately after his trial.

The Deripaska story, on the other hand, was only reported by The New York Times yesterday until it got picked up by other outlets half a day later. It was at the top of Google's search results for 'Trump' just yesterday. Not a hard thing to uncover unless you think .2 seconds is too much time. In that story, the relationship between Ohr, Steele and others are explored in greater detail, and it doesn't look good because it also illustrates that the dossier was critical to establishing the special counsel's investigation and that FBI hoped to flip Russian oligarchs (eventually) to siding with them because they had no way to validate any of the information that Steele had supposedly uncovered. If they play their cards wrong (since they were already looking into Trump in 2015), it will come off as a validation of Trump's witch hunt commentary.

If you want to know how this will actually play out, you need to understand the arguments being made on both sides. And when I say arguments, I mean REAL arguments that cover legalities. The Democrats make a good moral case for removing Trump but it has some serious issues, so I don't see it holding up if literal Russian oligarchs are showing up and saying "The FBI tried to turn us into assets to result in a specific outcome, even if that outcome isn't based on evidence.". I haven't seen anything yet presented by the Dems that justify what we are learning about how the FBI, the DNC and how other organizations conducted themselves. If you are going to say your opponent directly colluded with a foreign government, you need something else other than character attacks and "B-b-but he must be in debt with the Russians! CNN told me so111".

The reality is that the special counsel and the FBI have gotten multiple people seeking immunity because these people (the ones seeking immunity) are afraid Mueller will financially ruin their lives if they fight it in court. It's a lot easier to say "I'll tell you what I know" even if they don't have anything to say because it will cost them the least amount of money to take that road. Strong-arming people to ensure cooperation is a common tactic.