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Old 09-15-2008, 11:51 PM   #361 (permalink)
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Well, it is going nowhere and i really don't know how to answer y'all, anymore. i am a Christian. God did touch me (and when He ever touches you, you'll know exactly what i'm talking about! ), and when that happened, i started thinking about things differently. i used to think abortion was okay ~ until i started thinking about what was actually happening. i thought homosexuality was fine and dandy ~ and for the most part, i still do believe that folks ought to choose ~ but i don't think it should be looked upon as normal, because according to my beliefs, it isn't, it's an offense against our Creator, Who created us to be a certain way.

So, we're at an impasse.

One of y'all said something about the Bible being written by a bunch of men, that it was an interpretation, and whatever you want to think is right. The thing is, God is God ~ He can make the Bible, His Word, say anything He wants it to say.
I did respect what you said until this post. Stop shoving your christian beliefs based off blindly following god down everyone's throats.

And especially for the *** couple... to not be looked at normally.. For ****s sake its 2 people who love each other and would like to get married, whats that have anything to do with you, and who are you to judge them because you accept what some jackass in your religion tells you to believe.

*And anyone who is Christan i am not bashing that in any way, just the specific people who still have problems with ***s and any other issues that have no direct concern to them, yet they feel others should not have the right.
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Old 09-16-2008, 12:18 AM   #362 (permalink)
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1) She wants creationism taught WITH evolution, which, like i said before, is already happening, if for no other reason than as a comparison to the scientific findings. MOOT.
Why should creationism be taught in science classes?

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2) Did you see, or read, the speech those words came from?
"There is a plan and it is God’s plan." Taken directly from your quote.

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3) She doesn't believe that murdering someone (because Christian folks believe that you are a person at the moment of conception) is the right way to take care of a sticky situation. Sorry, but i agree with her.
She's for fucking capital punishment of course she believes murdering someone is the right way to take care of a sticky situation.

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and 4) She's a Christian who is anti g.a.y. marriage. Again, i have no problem with that.
She doesn't even think homosexual couples deserve the same rights as heterosexual couples (not married, just two people dating.) That goes a step beyond being anti-gay marriage. Sarah Palin is a bigot.
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Old 09-16-2008, 07:07 AM   #363 (permalink)
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Sarah Pallin takes those stances because she has to. She is a republican and if she was not pro-death penalty, anti-abortion, anti-*** and pretending to be a Christian she'd have no chance.

No one is going to reverse Roe v. Wade anytime soon. And it's only a matter of time before America comes around to understanding and accepting homosexuality (outside of the Church), the real issues are about money and leadership and sad as it is to say, McCain\Pallin are way better for America then Biden\Obama in those departments. I still wouldn't touch the GOP ticket with a ten foot pole, but it is what it is.


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You scare the crap out of me and I am super jealous of you. I wish I could pretend to believe as much as you do. "Touched by God" That's effing nuts, Looney Bin nuts. You have no concept of how bogus Christianity's principals are and the fact that you live your life based on the morality and ethics of the bible and Christianity makes you a detriment to society.

Do you not see how offensive it is to rational thinking people, Christian or otherwise to hear our leaders are being lead by "God's Plan"..?

The Christian God's plan involves us murdering Women and Children. Stoning and burning homosexuals and destroying civilizations and nations that do not praise him and only him.

Do you know why Christianity is the most popular western religion today?

Because Christians killed the most people historical unless they feel in line with God's plan.
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Religious nuts have tried to interpret their way out of the bibles horrible historical inaccuracies and it's awful sexist, hateful and homophobic passages, but in the end it is what it is, a fictional book written by a bunch of narcissistic sociopaths who lived in a cruel, barbaric and ****ed up world. End of story.
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Do i really have to explain to you that sex was supposed to be for procreation, and that we, like, 'fit together' a certain way to make that happen?
Then obviously you are against people marrying and having sex if:

1. At least one partner is infertile
2. At least one partner is too old to have children
3. The couple decides to not have children


...and who are you to say what people should do with their bodies? There are homosexual animals out there, which deflates the whole "Natural or not" argument.


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Let me ask you something ~ why shouldn't creationism be taught? It’s the only other theory out there, if you also discount Intelligent Design. Just think of it as Anthropology.
Oh jeeze...how can it be any plainer? Creationism is not science. Therefore it should not be taught in science class.
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Do you not see how offensive it is to rational thinking people, Christian or otherwise to hear our leaders are being lead by "God's Plan"..?

The Christian God's plan involves us murdering Women and Children. Stoning and burning homosexuals and destroying civilizations and nations that do not praise him and only him.

Do you know why Christianity is the most popular western religion today?

Because Christians killed the most people historical unless they feel in line with God's plan.
Speaking of "God's plan"...:


Oh my name it is nothin'
My age it means less
The country I come from
Is called the Midwest
I's taught and brought up there
The laws to abide
And that land that I live in
Has God on its side.

Oh the history books tell it
They tell it so well
The cavalries charged
The Indians fell
The cavalries charged
The Indians died
Oh the country was young
With God on its side.

Oh the Spanish-American
War had its day
And the Civil War too
Was soon laid away
And the names of the heroes
I's made to memorize
With guns in their hands
And God on their side.

Oh the First World War, boys
It closed out its fate
The reason for fighting
I never got straight
But I learned to accept it
Accept it with pride
For you don't count the dead
When God's on your side.

When the Second World War
Came to an end
We forgave the Germans
And we were friends
Though they murdered six million
In the ovens they fried
The Germans now too
Have God on their side.

I've learned to hate Russians
All through my whole life
If another war starts
It's them we must fight
To hate them and fear them
To run and to hide
And accept it all bravely
With God on my side.

But now we got weapons
Of the chemical dust
If fire them we're forced to
Then fire them we must
One push of the button
And a shot the world wide
And you never ask questions
When God's on your side.

In a many dark hour
I've been thinkin' about this
That Jesus Christ
Was betrayed by a kiss
But I can't think for you
You'll have to decide
Whether Judas Iscariot
Had God on his side.

So now as I'm leavin'
I'm weary as Hell
The confusion I'm feelin'
Ain't no tongue can tell
The words fill my head
And fall to the floor
If God's on our side
He'll stop the next war.
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Let me ask you something ~ why shouldn't creationism be taught? It’s the only other theory out there, if you also discount Intelligent Design. Just think of it as Anthropology.
They're not even related theories. Evolution talks about the diversity of species where creationism talks about the origin of the universe and the origin of life. Trying to compare evolution and creationism as being "the only theories" in a realm of science is like comparing butter and turkey in the realm of food. Furthermore creationism and intelligent design are the same damn thing. You're not fooling anyone with that exclusion clause.

As for other theories about the origin of life and the origin of the universe I can think of plenty. I am sorry you're ignorant to science.

For the origin of the universe there is big-bang previous space, big bang infinitely dense space, collapsable space, and a plethora of variants. None of which have been proven true, but they all work in theory and haven't been disproven. Also of note, they all use science, unlike your religious creationist method. Therefore they are legitimate discussion for science class rooms. Creationism is not.

For the origin of life? We pretty much know how this works. Lightning + H20 = spawning of amino acids. Amino acids combine in different structures to make life. Its really that easy. We've even recreated this affect in labs.

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You honestly don’t see a difference between murdering an innocent person, that hasn’t even had the chance to be someONE, yet ~ well, between that and say executing a man that decided he didn’t like the looks of a bum and beat the man to death? Yes, they are both murder
The buck stops here. You admit that the death penalty is murder. You are supporting someone in favor of state funded murder. You are saying you would pay the state to commit murder. To even say that it is justifiable makes you a morally repugnant danger to society.

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i'm not sure what you're talking about, there at the end... What 'rights' do heterosexual couples even have?
They should have the same rights as the rest of us. Including the right to get married. In fact while I'm at it polygamist marriages should be legalized too. You should have as many consentual husbands and wives as you want.
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You scare the crap out of me and I am super jealous of you. I wish I could pretend to believe as much as you do. "Touched by God" That's effing nuts, Looney Bin nuts. You have no concept of how bogus Christianity's principals are and the fact that you live your life based on the morality and ethics of the bible and Christianity makes you a detriment to society.
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And where are those of y'all screaming 'Separation of Church and State???' Or doesn't it count if the state invades the church?
How exactly does the state invade the church?

And you still haven't answered if you believe in Dinosaurs or not...
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@ Wendy Cal

You scare the crap out of me and I am super jealous of you. I wish I could pretend to believe as much as you do. "Touched by God" That's effing nuts, Looney Bin nuts. You have no concept of how bogus Christianity's principals are and the fact that you live your life based on the morality and ethics of the bible and Christianity makes you a detriment to society.

Do you not see how offensive it is to rational thinking people, Christian or otherwise to hear our leaders are being lead by "God's Plan"..?

The Christian God's plan involves us murdering Women and Children. Stoning and burning homosexuals and destroying civilizations and nations that do not praise him and only him.

Do you know why Christianity is the most popular western religion today?

Because Christians killed the most people historical unless they feel in line with God's plan.
I wish I could be religious, it would make my life so much easier...but in my heart I know organized religion has very little truth to it. Maybe, an outside shot at another higher being or something similar, but organized religion does very little for me.

If I go to church (my mom makes me, but she says when I finish high school I choose what faith I follow), I do it to try to feel more spiritual not because I completely 100% agree with Catholicism. My parents disagree with almost all social concepts in the bible though. They believe in g.ay marriage, limited abortions, and pre-martial sex, etc. They are weird Catholics...

But WendyCal, the fact that you believe these thoughts purely because you are Christian is disturbing. What if there was a passage to the bible that had been interpreted a new way by the Pope and it said "you shall kill all enemies who do not follow the Savior". Would you support the genocide of Hindu's?
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Actually, Sarah Palin is not 'for' the death penalty. What she has gone on record as saying is that if the legislature passed the death penalty law, she would sign it.
Seriously do you even read what you type?
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