This I Believe There is / is not a God

**Janszoon** · 02-11-2011, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Maccabbe

How did your parents raise you, that's the question...

My parents raised me to think critically instead of just tossing around wild assumptions.

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Originally Posted by Maccabbe

But there is nothing what to argue anymore.

The greatest of the evolutionists and scientists have said it in very clear words, that evolution is a total bluff and a great myth. I have provided, the Quotes, with the names of the books, the names of the scientists, and the pages and the articles very clearly.

They themselves have said its a lie.

So is there any room for argument?

No.

The only question is, what people will choose to do after they found out that they have been told lies and myths.

Again with the "no true Scotsman" fallacy.

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Originally Posted by Maccabbe

Would you throw your intelligence and conscience in the garbage and follow lies to the very end, like Gollum with the Ring of power and jump to the river of doom no matter what?

Please take a moment and ask yourself that same question.

~~Maccabbe~~ · 02-11-2011, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

My parents raised me to think critically instead of just tossing around wild assumptions.

Again with the "no true Scotsman" fallacy.

Please take a moment and ask yourself that same question.

Darwin said that evolution is a myth, Huxley said the same and all other 'Great scientists' said the same as I have provided in that article.

So why are you debating me about empty air?

That's it move on, there's nothing what to discuss, evolution is a lie.

Guybrush · 02-11-2011, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Maccabbe

The greatest of the evolutionists and scientists have said it in very clear words, that evolution is a total bluff and a great myth. I have provided, the Quotes, with the names of the books, the names of the scientists, and the pages and the articles very clearly.

They themselves have said its a lie.

So is there any room for argument?

No.

Actually, this is wrong. I'm a biologist, I should know. I can tell you that the leading scientists in the broad field of biology do not reject evolution at all. From what I've seen in gallups, the amount of biologists who are creationists is ridiculously small, even in the United States. If you want a source on that, just say and I can dig one up no problem.

To understand how incredibly stupid your argument is, try to understand this : If the general consensus among biologists was that evolution is pure fantasy, then science wouldn't treat and present evolution as something which is true. It wouldn't be taught in schools.

You say you have a common sense. Use it then instead of regurgitating information from creationists.com which, by the way, is a really unreliable source to anything which is true. Unlike science, it reeks of biases, subjectiveness and hostility. If someone behind that website can take a quotation out of context and make it seem like it's anti-evolution even when it's not, they would do so in a heartbeat.

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Originally Posted by Maccabbe

The only question is, what people will choose to do after they found out that they have been told lies and myths.

Would you throw your intelligence and conscience in the garbage and follow lies to the very end, like Gollum with the Ring of power and jump to the river of doom no matter what? Or you will finally understand that you were created by God, and finally come close to him and see what he wants from you, and what he expects from you?

The choice is entirely yours.

This is so brainmeltingly ironic that it's ridiculous. You don't have a critical bone in your entire body, yet you accuse the world for believing in lies. Have you ever considered you may be the one being fed the lies? As I pointed out earlier, science has it's quality controls of truth. How do you determine what's true or not?

**Janszoon** · 02-11-2011, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Maccabbe

Darwin said that evolution is a myth, Huxley said the same and all other 'Great scientists' said the same as I have provided in that article.

So why are you debating me about empty air?

That's it move on, there's nothing what to discuss, evolution is a lie.

Providing unverified quotes doesn't prove anything. Sorry.

I can pull bullshit quotes out of my ass too, that doesn't make them true.

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra · 02-11-2011, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Maccabbe

you were created by God, and finally come close to him and see what he wants from you, and what he expects from you?

Yes, and he expects things like this from me:

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If you hear it said about one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you to live in that troublemakers have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods you have not known), then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely,[b] both its people and its livestock. You are to gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt, and none of the condemned things[c] are to be found in your hands. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger, will show you mercy, and will have compassion on you. He will increase your numbers, as he promised on oath to your ancestors— because you obey the LORD your God by keeping all his commands that I am giving you today and doing what is right in his eyes.

RVCA · 02-11-2011, 05:01 PM

I don't know why we're even debating this guy. First of all, he's treating "science" like a faith or a creed, as if it's something you can disprove. The essence of science is that no hypothesis is taken as 100% truth and that everything is open to testing and refutation.

Further, he seems to be convinced that by disproving certain aspects of "science" (or all of it), he is effectively proving what he sees as the converse- truth in his faith. Which is, of course, a totally unsound jump in logic and a display of incredibly poor arguing skills.

s_k was right when he said the guy isn't doing anything but preaching.

s_k · 02-11-2011, 05:07 PM

And he's scaring the **** out of me.
Telling other people's stories like facts and not relying on his own experience at all.
It's really scary how people sort of lose track of their own visions and choices.
I know I should respect other religions, but I just the way Maccabe is putting things is well... How shall I put this as respectful as possible... Inhuman, scary, brainwashed.
I know what I'm going to say next is shallow but I just can't help myself... I just cant' take someone who hasn't got his own opinion seriously. I just can't think of him as an intelligent human being. I know he is because of his musical and lingual abilities, but I just can't see how someone with brains can be so much of a robot.

Sorry guys, I shouldn't join this discussion. There is no room for 'heavily' religious people in my brain cells. I just can't understand this, as much as I want to.
I just can't understand how someone can't see the difference between his own thoughts and the thoughts that were 'injected' into this person. It's really scary as ****.

The Batlord · 02-12-2011, 09:51 AM

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So no more discussion from me on this topic.

The Batlord · 02-12-2011, 11:38 AM

I just thought I'd post this article I saw.

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‘Sinner’ singer given 39 lashes by rabbis

A singer who performed in front of a “mixed audience” of men and women was lashed 39 times to make him “repent,” after a ruling by a self-described rabbinic court on Wednesday.

Rabbi Amnon Yitzhak, founder of the Shofar organization aimed at bringing Jews “back to religion” (hazara betshuva), has made it his recent mission to fight against musical performances for both men and women.

His “judicial panel,” with Rabbi Ben Zion Mutsafi and another member, sentenced Erez Yechiel to 39 lashes in order to “rid him of his sins.”

In a video clip of the court posted on the Shofar Web site, Ben Zion said that those who make others sin (mahtiei rabim), such as artists who make men and women attend performances or dance together, have no place in the world to come.

He displayed a leather strip he said was made by his father from ass and bull skin, with which Yechiel was to have been whipped.

Yechiel, who said, “I accept upon myself the lashing for my sins,” was ordered to stand by a wooden poll with his head facing north (“from whence the evil inclination comes”), his hands tied with a azure-colored rope (“a symbol of mercy”), and served his “sentence.”

http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=186154

~~Maccabbe~~ · 02-12-2011, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

I just thought I'd post this article I saw.

http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=186154

Too bad that you don't know or understand Jewish Law, which says clearly that its forbidden for Jewish men and women to sit together without seperation in a public gathering.

On top of that it is forbidden for a musician to sing in front of a mixed audience like that. This is the will of God.

As to the 'Lashing' it was only ceremonial , it wasn’t a real lashing because the Temple is not standing today, therefore it was made in a ceremonial manner, no physical pain whatsoever, I saw the video myself personally a few months ago, therefore your presentation here is outrageous and totally erroneous and slanderous.

Everything just to make religion look bad, even lie and deceit, any norm is broken just to achieve hatred towards religion, and that's pitiful and shameful.

Now, lets look at the opposite side, what is happening in the world where men and women sing and dance and study together?

Colleges today are infested with sex parties and drugs, young girls are getting drunk and are having sex with complete strangers, because that's 'what's in' today. Atheism respects everything that has to do with breaking morals and decency.

Britney Spears, and Justine Bieber who doesn’t even understand what love is all about yet he sings about love and sex, are the heroes of the liberal and atheist movements, and these idiotic 'role models; are poisoning the minds of the young generation of teens all around the world, to cast the yoke of heaven to the ground, to forget the almighty, and indulge in acts of profanities and impurities, and abominations, all the things that God Hates.

And its way better to get lashes in this world , a world that passes on, and is temporary, then to be punished in fires of hell for eternity.

God saw into the future and knew that without creating laws of separation between the sexes, people will be ready to do the most vile and deplorable sins, like premarital sex, promiscuity, immodesty, and lunacy among others.

Therefore he wrote in Holy Torah divine commandments to teach humanity how to live properly and how to safeguard the purity of the family and the moral fabric of society.

And the Jewish people were hated precisely because of that all throughout the generations, because there are many millions even billions of people around the world who want to live a life bereft of any higher calling, or spiritual purpose. The Jew reminded them of the truth of God and his ways, and people just cant stand the student in the class who points his finger and says that they must behave like human beings and not like animals.

The Mythical Evolution movement is in direct opposition to what God wants in this universe, the exact opposite. God created a human being and gave him tools to achieve things that would make him even higher then the Angels, in fact it is mentioned in Sacred Jewish books that when the Angels saw Adam (the first human being) for the first time, they called him 'Holy', that's how lofty and high was the status of the first human being, that even the angels have called him 'Holy'. Yet some scientists want to turn this great and holy creation of God, into an ape bereft of any connection to the heavens.

Some people find it very appealing to be an animal and not 'Holy', for been 'Holy' is a great responsibility, things are expected from you, and you must conduct yourself accordingly, but been an ape? who cares, just do and act like a monkey, there is no ultimate truth to anything, there is nothing divine everything is just atoms and molecules.

What a disgusting and shameful way of living in this world, hating yourself so much that you are willing to become an animal just so that you will achieve this fictional 'freedom' from God.

But the soul of the human being is naturally longing to serve God, and follow his ways. Any human being deep in his heart of hearts, has a point of truth , and he knows this truth, yet in this dark world there are so many layers of lies covering this truth, and many are caving in and are following the easy way, the crowed and do as the majority does.

But let me tell you, Hell is packed, but in heaven there is way more room.

It takes hard work and dedication, and acceptance to be among the righteous, but to be wicked? its very easy to be wicked, you just follow what the majority does, and you will buy yourself a one way ticket to hell for ever and ever.

The choice is all yours, and no one is going to make the choice for you.
You have to know where you want to be.

02-11-2011, 05:07 PM	#787 (permalink)
s_k Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,206	And he's scaring the ** out of me. Telling other people's stories like facts and not relying on his own experience at all. It's really scary how people sort of lose track of their own visions and choices. I know I should respect other religions, but I just the way Maccabe is putting things is well... How shall I put this as respectful as possible... Inhuman, scary, brainwashed. I know what I'm going to say next is shallow but I just can't help myself... I just cant' take someone who hasn't got his own opinion seriously. I just can't think of him as an intelligent human being. I know he is because of his musical and lingual abilities, but I just can't see how someone with brains can be so much of a robot. Sorry guys, I shouldn't join this discussion. There is no room for 'heavily' religious people in my brain cells. I just can't understand this, as much as I want to. I just can't understand how someone can't see the difference between his own thoughts and the thoughts that were 'injected' into this person. It's really scary as **. __________________ Click here to see my collection

02-11-2011, 05:01 PM	#786 (permalink)
RVCA （￣ー￣） Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,270	I don't know why we're even debating this guy. First of all, he's treating "science" like a faith or a creed, as if it's something you can disprove. The essence of science is that no hypothesis is taken as 100% truth and that everything is open to testing and refutation. Further, he seems to be convinced that by disproving certain aspects of "science" (or all of it), he is effectively proving what he sees as the converse- truth in his faith. Which is, of course, a totally unsound jump in logic and a display of incredibly poor arguing skills. s_k was right when he said the guy isn't doing anything but preaching.