Terrible Lizard

I'm living. As for faith, well I just see it with the eye of a scholar than of a follower.

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-John Martyn

Son of JayJamJah

Even Dr. Suess knew rhyming always made more cents.

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If you're posting in the music forums make sure to be thoughtful and expressive, if you're posting in the lounge ask yourself "is this something that adds to the conversation?" It's important to remember that a lot of people use each thread. You're probably not as funny or clever as you think, I know I'm not.

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andersbranderud

I hope you will find this text interesting.
According to science our universe (space-time) has a beginning (arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9403004).This paper is written by the cosmologist Alexander Vilenkin of the Tufts university and Arvind Bonde.)

It is a fundamental law of physics (causality) that every physical occurrence in the universe has a cause. Since space-time has a beginning there was a first physical occurrence. Causality requires that the first physical occurrence had a cause. Causality and the fact that space-time has a beginning implies that this Prime Cause is non-dimensional and independent of space-time.

To conclude the above paragraphs:
Fact: No thing nor event in the known universe or laws of physics lacks a cause.
Assume: There is no Prime Cause (Creator).
Ergo: There is no universe.
Fact: There is a universe.
Therefore: the statement that was assumed is proven to be a false statement by reduction ad absurdum (proof by disproof).
(Since "There is no Creator" is proven false, the opposite is true: There is a Creator.)

Being logically consistent (orderly), our (to say perfectly-orderly would be a tautology) orderly universe must mirror its Prime Cause / Singularity-Creator—Who must be Orderly; i.e. Perfect. An orderly—"not capricious," as Einstein put it—Creator (also implying Just), therefore, necessarily had an Intelligent Purpose in creating this universe and us within it and, being Just and Orderly, necessarily placed an explanation, a "Life's Instruction Manual," within the reach of His subjects—humankind.

It defies the orderliness (logic / mathematics) of both the universe and Perfection of its Creator to assert that humanity was (contrary to His Torah, see below) without any means of rapproachment until millennia after the first couple in recorded history as well as millennia after Abraham, Moses and the prophets. Therefore, the Creator's "Life's Instruction Manual" has been available to man at least since the beginning of recorded history. The only enduring document of this kind is the Torah —which, interestingly, translates to "Instruction" (not "law" as popularly alleged). (Some of the text is a quote from netzarim.co.il)

The fact that the Creator is perfect implies that He isn’t self-contradictory. Therefore any religion, and all religions contradicts each other (otherwise they would be identical), that contradicts Torah is the antithesis to the Creator.

The most common counter arguments are answered here: bloganders.blogspot.com/search/label/counter%20arguments)

Anders Branderud

lucifer_sam

you were doing well until you proffered the suggestion that the Torah is the only holy book which can be relied upon. like every other religion in existence, Judaism is founded upon principles created by man, not a higher being. and as such, their point of view is as convoluted as anybody else in terms of validity.

if you really seek spiritual enlightenment i suggest you look to works of literature which don't have an overtly explicit political agenda.

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Neapolitan

yeah, you should only be reading literature with hidden political agendas

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boo boo

Amen.

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JesseB5446

God refers to us in the Bible as His children. Growing up, we can all remember the many times that we thought we had it all figured out. Even the most intelligent person on the planet is still a child, to God. We are not meant to know yet the secret things which "belongeth" to Him. I know we don't want to hear this due to the fact that we have become so in love with ourselves and proud of our newfound knowledge that any type of humility to anything/one is just unacceptable. I think if we start looking at our children through the eyes of God, we will see ourselves as God sees us. As a growing child that we created in our image and that child is trying so hard to be like us, but we know that child just does'nt understand yet and is not ready to have some things explained to him. It is not easy to teach a child to have faith in you. It is not easy to convince him that you won't let him fall or that it's just thunder or that you love him with everything in you even though you are punishing him.

I think to say that you don't believe in God because there is no proof is to say that you don't believe in love. You can't prove/disprove love. Therefore we should hang that nonsense as well, right? Go tell your mom/dad/signifigent other/etc. that you don't believe they love you because they cannot physically prove it.

What Bible were you reading?

John 14:
2 In my Father's house there are many mansions. If not, I would have told you: because I go to prepare a place for you...

Revelation 21:
15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof. 16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. 17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel. 18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass. 19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald; 20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolyte; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst. 21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.

Now who's saying "Believe what I believe or die"? You sound like one of those religious zealot types, only non. To reiterate Neopolitan, I'd be wiiling to bet that the majority of the non-believers in this forum have not read a Bible since the last time they fell asleep in church Easter Sunday umpteen years ago. How does one base his faith on a subject he's never studied? I'm not talking about reading it to pull out all the arguable pieces, but really studied it. We are talking about your eternal soul, maybe, right? You don't think that if it does exist it would be worth spending the time to find out for really real? What do you say to God (if he exists) and asks why you had so many years on the earth to study Nietzsche, Kierkeguaard, Marx, Pascal, Darwin, etc. but not Matthew, Mark, Luke or John?

Well put, Satch. You should'nt let the crackpots take the focus away from the true meaning. Which is others before self.

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Terrible Lizard

Did you just defend the "pearly gates" with a line from Revelations in a literal context?
Party's on fellas.
Imma gonna get the drinks.

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Darkest Hour

That doesn't even make sense.

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Fruitonica

Well sure, if you believe love manifests as some metaphysical force. Otherwise love is just a term for a complex range of emotions, and all the proof you need is in your experience of them. Science also has a pretty good explanation for emotions if you felt like being pedantic.