Do we really exist?

boo boo · 08-27-2009, 11:03 AM

Well it's true that things like color and sound is based on our own senses and perception. And god how stupid you'd have to be to just figure that out.

The whole idea that we're just figments of our own imaginations is just some stupid conclusion that pretentious stoner idiots come to after dropping a sh*tload of acid and reading one too many Phillip K Dick novels.

Burning Down · 08-27-2009, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Darkest Hour

So my question is, do you think we really exist? Or is everything we know just a product of our imagination?

What I really don't understand is your logic in this question. This is how I would explain it: If I'm thinking and know something, therefore I must have a brain of some kind, and therefore I must exist in some form or another.

Freebase Dali · 08-27-2009, 01:37 PM

Can we get a Darkest Hour filter installed?

boo boo · 08-27-2009, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

Can we get a Darkest Hour filter installed?

What a splendid idea.

So yeah, Yac, please do that.

Burning Down · 08-27-2009, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

Can we get a Darkest Hour filter installed?

Isn't there an ignore list or something?

gunnels · 08-27-2009, 03:26 PM

uh...

Freebase Dali · 08-27-2009, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down

Isn't there an ignore list or something?

LIFE doesn't have a fucking ignore list.
My statement was a social commentary.

I'm so totally using that as an excuse for everything I say that people misunderstand, from now on.

VeggieLover · 08-27-2009, 04:02 PM

Oh please everyone, this is a valid philisophical question. It's called solipsism, and the writers of the Matrix definitely had nothing to do with the formation of the theory. Of course, it's fairly safe to assume that we'll never know for sure (in fact, we probably wont ever know ANYTHING for sure) but i find it fun to play in the world of Quantum Physics and ponder on the fact that we as humans are both incredibly small and yet contain unimaginable potential that we haven't even come close to unlocking.

Our individual perceptions of reality are all we have to work off of. Everything that our minds or spirit or soul knows is based off of the signals we recieve from "reality." The real question arises when we stop to consider who "we" are -- the observer. Personally, i don't believe that a series of incrediblly complex chemical reactions suffices to create the creative observer that I know myself to be. Therefore, i believe in a soul. Whether or not my soul is the only one that really exists (or if it exists at all) is a bit confusing, but i happen to believe that i live in a realm of energy, with all the other souls of the universe (which includes the alternate dimensions that may or may not exist). Whether or not "Earth" actually exists or not is quite beside the point, because it is the way in which we experience one another -- nothing more, nothing less.

anyone else care to speculate?

Freebase Dali · 08-27-2009, 04:15 PM

Veggie... if you believe in anything at all, then you believe that you exist.
If you think reality isn't valid, then you aren't either. In which case, what you just said doesn't apply in this conversation. So go on not existing elsewhere.

VeggieLover · 08-27-2009, 04:20 PM

i dont believe the topic brought up was "do i really exist" or "do you really exist", I believe the thread is called "do we really exist" unless I am mistaken, WE refers to a group of people, ie. PLURAL. Just because I exist doesn't mean you exist. If you do not exist, there cannot therefore be a WE.
Also, the original post refered to the fact that everything the observer (ie. me) knows is based on signals recieved by the brain, thereby refering to the philisophical theory known as Solipsism which suggests that anything outside of the mind is unjustified. I believe that my comments were therefore, not only more on topic than anyone elses, but also a lot more helpful to the original poster.

I do actually know what I'm talking about.

08-27-2009, 01:37 PM	#13 (permalink)
Freebase Dali Partying on the inside Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 5,584	Can we get a Darkest Hour filter installed? __________________

08-27-2009, 04:02 PM	#18 (permalink)
VeggieLover Music?! Lets boogie! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: CO Posts: 215	Oh please everyone, this is a valid philisophical question. It's called solipsism, and the writers of the Matrix definitely had nothing to do with the formation of the theory. Of course, it's fairly safe to assume that we'll never know for sure (in fact, we probably wont ever know ANYTHING for sure) but i find it fun to play in the world of Quantum Physics and ponder on the fact that we as humans are both incredibly small and yet contain unimaginable potential that we haven't even come close to unlocking. Our individual perceptions of reality are all we have to work off of. Everything that our minds or spirit or soul knows is based off of the signals we recieve from "reality." The real question arises when we stop to consider who "we" are -- the observer. Personally, i don't believe that a series of incrediblly complex chemical reactions suffices to create the creative observer that I know myself to be. Therefore, i believe in a soul. Whether or not my soul is the only one that really exists (or if it exists at all) is a bit confusing, but i happen to believe that i live in a realm of energy, with all the other souls of the universe (which includes the alternate dimensions that may or may not exist). Whether or not "Earth" actually exists or not is quite beside the point, because it is the way in which we experience one another -- nothing more, nothing less. anyone else care to speculate? __________________ "Not remotely! Because iocaine comes from Australia, as everyone knows. And Australia is entirely peopled with criminals. And criminals are used to having people not trust them as you are not trusted by me, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you."

08-27-2009, 04:15 PM	#19 (permalink)
Freebase Dali Partying on the inside Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 5,584	Veggie... if you believe in anything at all, then you believe that you exist. If you think reality isn't valid, then you aren't either. In which case, what you just said doesn't apply in this conversation. So go on not existing elsewhere. __________________

08-27-2009, 04:20 PM	#20 (permalink)
VeggieLover Music?! Lets boogie! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: CO Posts: 215	i dont believe the topic brought up was "do i really exist" or "do you really exist", I believe the thread is called "do we really exist" unless I am mistaken, WE refers to a group of people, ie. PLURAL. Just because I exist doesn't mean you exist. If you do not exist, there cannot therefore be a WE. Also, the original post refered to the fact that everything the observer (ie. me) knows is based on signals recieved by the brain, thereby refering to the philisophical theory known as Solipsism which suggests that anything outside of the mind is unjustified. I believe that my comments were therefore, not only more on topic than anyone elses, but also a lot more helpful to the original poster. I do actually know what I'm talking about. __________________ "Not remotely! Because iocaine comes from Australia, as everyone knows. And Australia is entirely peopled with criminals. And criminals are used to having people not trust them as you are not trusted by me, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you."