Is Stephen Hawking ****ing with us?

P A N · 04-26-2010, 11:10 AM

i think, due to the unimaginable vastness of space, that the existence of aliens is quite probable. if you take into account the hundreds of thousands of witness reports in the USA alone, you might begin to think they are already here. enter Paul Hellyer, Canada's ex-defense minister. he says the governments of the West have been in contact with aliens since the 50s. his associates say they have identified nearly 60 species that are present in this solar system on a regular basis, 11 of which are constantly involved in the goings-on of earthlings.

as for worrying about things like intergalactic travel-time and the expenses therein, any species even slightly more evolved than us would find these concerns laughable... or just confusing, if they don't like to sound condescending. wormholes would be useful. antigravity has probably been accomplished by even earthlings already. the philidelphia experiment and the montauk project (if they offer any truth) say that space and time can be bent and broken and leaped through at will.

at the risk of sounding totally out of my mind, i will say anyway that i think humanity should mentally prepare themselves for the possibility of extra-terrestrials showing up one day. if you think this is impossible, please consider two things: 1) the vastness of space is beyond your comprehension and our earth's age in comparison to that of the universe is quite young, and b) book burnings have been happening for a long time, and thus history is much more of a mystery than most people are willing to admit.

Laurent Quinn Proper · 04-26-2010, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CAPTAIN CAVEMAN

so what, you think it's more likely that they'd be looking at earth with a giant telescope and intergalactic telephone and planning a big trip to show up and be friends? truth be told i know fuck all really about current or potential space travel but i suppose it does make more sense to have a specific destination. regardless, this does not mean that they will be friendly. even if they have a station on the moon, say, how are they to know that there are humans on earth? who knows specifically what technology they may or may not have. it is impossible to tell how they will react to us based on what their level of technological advancement is...

last time i checked hitler fell because his empire was being attacked and destroyed (see: violence) by people that had a problem with being invaded/mass exterminations/etc etc nazi crimes ad nausea... there are countless empires and regimes that can attribute their success to violence. you will discount them as failures because they failed eventually - but so too does everything else. what do you expect? everything comes to an end eventually and it is perhaps not simply because they employed violence that they failed.

you seem to think morality and intelligence are tied inherently and measured as if there is one end to the spectrum - say "violent, dumb caveman" and another, "kind, rational scientist." morality and intelligence are not so simple. there is no reason to believe the intelligent can not be violent. i don't know where you're getting this from. violence is not intrinsically an exhibition of the weak or the strong, there are many cases in which both use it.

so because some soldiers suffer PTSD in battle to ensure the safety of their country, that proves violence is good for no one...? you're living in a fantasy world if you think that killing is never beneficial to anyone. the best way to ensure your existence is completely situational. if you have a gun and there's an alien with a sharp object coming at you you'd better shut your brain up and get violent.

You obviously don't have the slightest clue about how one would go about communicating with distant civilizations. We transmit signals every single day, that could potentially be picked up and decoded by "aliens". Our favorite TV shows have been continuously traveling through space since the very first air date. This amongst other things (I.E., radio signals, cellular towers) is what another civilization would be looking for. A distant signal that they would focus in on, "decode" and then reply with a message of their own. We even have satellites searching the skies for alien signals, twenty-four seven.
True that everything comes to an end but violence would almost certainly always fall before the power of the mind. You can enforce your will, all you want, but if you can't effectively think of rational solutions to your problems your existence is on a much shorter leash. The resources needed to carry on with an ongoing battle would be far too great for any one civilization to constantly have to replenish. Again, the most important and influential people in our world's history have always been thinkers and not brutish neanderthals whom believe violence is the only way to ensure security.
The intelligent have absolutely no need for violence. If they want something, they shall take in other more resourceful ways. Why waste our natural resources manufacturing weapons of mass destruction when we can find other logical solutions to the problems? It's like saying, "I want to become leader of the United States." What would be more practical? Somehow managing to form a guerrilla group and attacking the United States or studying, paying my dues and then eventually becoming President of the United States? What would you choose? I am willing to say the latter. Engaging in intergalactic warfare is a risk far too great that any world leader would be unwilling to take. It is extremely unwise and would almost surely deplete any nation of their most basic natural resources. On top of that, the amount of damage suffered to one's homeland would be catastrophic and almost ensure the demise of the victors, as well. Would you be willing to risk all of that just to prove your "dominance"? I would hope not. See, even us as mere humans can differentiate between such stupidities.
I may be living in a "fantasy" world but this fantasy world would attempt to defuse any tension instead of "grabbing a gun and getting violent with potentially friendly and harmless aliens". After all, life is precious and shouldn't be wasted.

duga · 04-26-2010, 05:10 PM

And you guys can't have discussions like this about...I don't know...music?

Laurent Quinn Proper · 04-26-2010, 05:14 PM

Touche.

DeathBreath · 04-26-2010, 05:24 PM

I saw that article on Yahoo. Paranoid much

Captain Awesome · 04-27-2010, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DeathBreath

I saw that article on Yahoo. Paranoid much

What he said^

I don't think we'll be fighting intergalactic wars while our wives suck on alien **** anytime soon.

boo boo · 04-27-2010, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

yes aliens are out there but only sinners should be worried about it

WTF does that even mean?

~~bungalow~~ · 04-27-2010, 03:36 AM

be afraid

boo boo · 04-27-2010, 03:41 AM

Pfft. So what is he saying?

Does he think there's gonna be some kind of intergalactic inquisition or something?

NOBODY EXPECTS THE INTERGALACTIC INQUISITION!

cardboard adolescent · 04-27-2010, 11:44 AM

they'll just confront you with the ark which is a transistor channeling the power of a black hole which, if you're pure of heart, allows you to communicate with God but if you're not pure of heart and try to use its power it enters into a negative feedback loop with you and destroys you. the egyptian myth of thoth weighing your heart against a feather refers to this, and it's mentioned in the old testament numerous times. if you live in love, it creates a feedback loop which is positive, but if you don't, it destroys you. if we don't get our shit together, i'm assuming they'll just bring a couple down and take the elect away on the spaceships.

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P A N DO LIKE YOU. Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 629	i think, due to the unimaginable vastness of space, that the existence of aliens is quite probable. if you take into account the hundreds of thousands of witness reports in the USA alone, you might begin to think they are already here. enter Paul Hellyer, Canada's ex-defense minister. he says the governments of the West have been in contact with aliens since the 50s. his associates say they have identified nearly 60 species that are present in this solar system on a regular basis, 11 of which are constantly involved in the goings-on of earthlings. as for worrying about things like intergalactic travel-time and the expenses therein, any species even slightly more evolved than us would find these concerns laughable... or just confusing, if they don't like to sound condescending. wormholes would be useful. antigravity has probably been accomplished by even earthlings already. the philidelphia experiment and the montauk project (if they offer any truth) say that space and time can be bent and broken and leaped through at will. at the risk of sounding totally out of my mind, i will say anyway that i think humanity should mentally prepare themselves for the possibility of extra-terrestrials showing up one day. if you think this is impossible, please consider two things: 1) the vastness of space is beyond your comprehension and our earth's age in comparison to that of the universe is quite young, and b) book burnings have been happening for a long time, and thus history is much more of a mystery than most people are willing to admit.

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cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	they'll just confront you with the ark which is a transistor channeling the power of a black hole which, if you're pure of heart, allows you to communicate with God but if you're not pure of heart and try to use its power it enters into a negative feedback loop with you and destroys you. the egyptian myth of thoth weighing your heart against a feather refers to this, and it's mentioned in the old testament numerous times. if you live in love, it creates a feedback loop which is positive, but if you don't, it destroys you. if we don't get our shit together, i'm assuming they'll just bring a couple down and take the elect away on the spaceships.