Don't Ask Don't Tell

Thrice · 09-21-2010, 12:15 PM

It is actually a General Discharge under Honorable conditions, which is then upgraded to an Honorable Discharge after 6 months for some reason. I know tons who have gotten out for this reason.

This movement began quite sometime ago, and now everyone that matters knows there is no suitable motive behind it, and therefore this will be abolished immediately. Lady Gaga just jumped on the bandwagon on this one.

I don't mind it at all, but after serving in the Navy, the gayest of them all, I can see how someone could feel uncomfortable. I was put into many situations in which I felt extremely uncomfortable, like showering with 40+ other men. If one of my shipmates was gay and was getting his jollies off looking at my genitals, I honestly wouldn't mind, but rather flattered, but I can see how less open minded folk...Texans...ahem...would not find it acceptable. All in all it comes down to just another man having your back and you having his.

crash_override · 09-21-2010, 12:18 PM

^ Great post FD.

Although the discharge is a "Failure to Adapt" admin separation. It's a general discharge if the member has served less than 90 days of active duty service.

crash_override · 09-21-2010, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Thrice

It is actually a General Discharge under Honorable conditions, which is then upgraded to an Honorable Discharge after 6 months for some reason. I know tons who have gotten out for this reason.

This movement began quite sometime ago, and now everyone that matters knows there is no suitable motive behind it, and therefore this will be abolished immediately. Lady Gaga just jumped on the bandwagon on this one.

I don't mind it at all, but after serving in the Navy, the gayest of them all, I can see how someone could feel uncomfortable. I was put into many situations in which I felt extremely uncomfortable, like showering with 40+ other men. If one of my shipmates was gay and was getting his jollies off looking at my genitals, I honestly wouldn't mind, but rather flattered, but I can see how less open minded folk...Texans...ahem...would not find it acceptable. All in all it comes down to just another man having your back and you having his.

Were you on the subamarine side?

Consolator · 09-21-2010, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Thrice

I don't mind it at all, but after serving in the Navy, the gayest of them all, I can see how someone could feel uncomfortable. I was put into many situations in which I felt extremely uncomfortable, like showering with 40+ other men. If one of my shipmates was gay and was getting his jollies off looking at my genitals, I honestly wouldn't mind, but rather flattered, but I can see how less open minded folk...Texans...ahem...would not find it acceptable. All in all it comes down to just another man having your back and you having his.

What makes you think he would automatically be attracted to you?

When I've been placed in situations with other (straight) men involving changing or showering (i.e. high school and university) all I focus on is changing, showering, whatever, and I get out immediately. I usually don't even look or speak to any of the other men to stop any sort of response. I've not ever been in any sort of really close-knit constant tight quarters experience, so I'm lacking in that department. I would like to think most gays that are in the military would have the same sense of consideration for others.

In regards to Gaga's speech, I agree with most of what she said. I didn't like a lot of her diction and her seemingly recent obsession with meat, but her overall message I can appreciate. I called both of my senators asking them to vote with Harry Reid to repeal DADT. I know that my efforts were futile, but I did it anyway.

Goblin Tears · 09-21-2010, 12:52 PM

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Anyway, another aspect to DODT is that while it doesn't seem relevant now days in a general social aspect, there are still a lot of people that aren't comfortable with homosexuality. Given the nature of the military and the fact that in a lot of situations, you're in a position to be bunking, showering, and even sharing a room with a member of the same gender (even well after basic training) the DODT considerations made are based on unit cohesion and welfare of the troops. It may seem like bigotry at first glance, but regardless of any member's personal distaste for homosexuals, the fact remains that if a unit can't operate like a team and trust each other on and off the battlefield, the mission itself is at stake.
While there are any number of solutions, the most amicable one, while keeping military goals in mind, was DODT and that's why it was implemented.

Still seems strange though. I mean, considering that perspective, something as simple as a personality clash could disrupt a 'team' mentality in a group. People have their differences and conflicts in any group situtation, sexual orientation is just one of many MANY things that could cause dissent, so it seems silly to single it out. As for people using DODT to get out of honouring their contract...well, that just shows it's ridiculous as well as abused.

crash_override · 09-21-2010, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Consolator

What makes you think he would automatically be attracted to you?

When I've been placed in situations with other (straight) men involving changing or showering (i.e. high school and university) all I focus on is changing, showering, whatever, and I get out immediately. I usually don't even look or speak to any of the other men to stop any sort of response. I've not ever been in any sort of really close-knit constant tight quarters experience, so I'm lacking in that department. I would like to think most gays that are in the military would have the same sense of consideration for others.

In regards to Gaga's speech, I agree with most of what she said. I didn't like a lot of her diction and her seemingly recent obsession with meat, but her overall message I can appreciate. I called both of my senators asking them to vote with Harry Reid to repeal DADT. I know that my efforts were futile, but I did it anyway.

You would think that, and for the most part I think that's true. But there are definitely some meat gazers out there, looking to score some sausage.

Consolator · 09-21-2010, 01:16 PM

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You would think that, and for the most part I think that's true. But there are definitely some meat gazers out there, looking to score some sausage.

Oh, I'm sure. There's creepers everywhere. I didn't deny that though.

adidasss · 09-21-2010, 01:23 PM

^^ Only if it applies equally to any inter-straight advances, no?. :\

@vanilla: I'm not an American so this doesn't affect me either way and I'm certainly not crazy enough to join the military.

Agreed with everything goblin tears said. :\

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 09-21-2010, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

^^ Only if it applies equally to any inter-straight advances, no?. :\

@vanilla: I'm not an American so this doesn't affect me either way and I'm certainly not crazy enough to join the military.

Agreed with everything goblin tears said. :\

Oh sorry hun my mistake! xx

CanwllCorfe · 09-21-2010, 03:31 PM

It's an improvement over how things used to work. At least there's that. I don't know why you'd be sent home if you were homosexual, but oh well.

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Thrice أمهاتك[وهور]Aura Euphoria Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Florida/Buffalo/CT Posts: 2,077	It is actually a General Discharge under Honorable conditions, which is then upgraded to an Honorable Discharge after 6 months for some reason. I know tons who have gotten out for this reason. This movement began quite sometime ago, and now everyone that matters knows there is no suitable motive behind it, and therefore this will be abolished immediately. Lady Gaga just jumped on the bandwagon on this one. I don't mind it at all, but after serving in the Navy, the gayest of them all, I can see how someone could feel uncomfortable. I was put into many situations in which I felt extremely uncomfortable, like showering with 40+ other men. If one of my shipmates was gay and was getting his jollies off looking at my genitals, I honestly wouldn't mind, but rather flattered, but I can see how less open minded folk...Texans...ahem...would not find it acceptable. All in all it comes down to just another man having your back and you having his. __________________ Lew Harrison, who looked like an anarchist with his red eyes and fierce black beard, had been writing furiously in one corner of the room. "That's good—happiness by the kilowatt," he said. "Buy your happiness the way you buy light."

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adidasss Slavic gay sauce Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Abu Dhabi Posts: 7,993	^^ Only if it applies equally to any inter-straight advances, no?. :\ @vanilla: I'm not an American so this doesn't affect me either way and I'm certainly not crazy enough to join the military. Agreed with everything goblin tears said. :\ __________________ “Think of what a paradise this world would be if men were kind and wise.” - Kurt Vonnegut, Cat's Cradle. Last.fm

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CanwllCorfe Quiet Man in the Corner Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Pocono Mountains Posts: 2,480	It's an improvement over how things used to work. At least there's that. I don't know why you'd be sent home if you were homosexual, but oh well. __________________ Your eyes were never yet let in to see the majesty and riches of the mind, but dwell in darkness; for your God is blind.