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Old 04-20-2011, 05:36 PM   #71 (permalink)
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The major alignment is in September 2040, although it happens pretty frequently. I'll be just shy of 50. Damn.
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Old 04-20-2011, 06:06 PM   #72 (permalink)
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I agree. I remember him on a series called The Universe on the History Channel, and he does a fantastic job at explaining things.
I watched that too. In fact I have been watching a shedload of documentaries recently regarding the universe and only the most narrow minded fool could suggest that we are the only active species in the universe.

In our present lifetime we have little chance of encountering anything else but even our own solar system has blown the scientific world apart over the last 20 years. The most active volcano is a moon orbiting Jupiter and although it doesn't support life (or what we class as life on a one to one basis), it shows how little we know about the universe and how pompous we are in thinking that we are the only intelligent life out there.

I am certainly not one of those wishing for us to be visited by another world as that would suggest that we are useless as they got to us first and we are not all that but the simple fact is that if u lay a piece of A4 paper down in front of you, the earth is not even a dot in any given corner. It is that inconsequential in the universe.
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Old 04-20-2011, 06:14 PM   #73 (permalink)
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Old 04-20-2011, 08:24 PM   #74 (permalink)
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Hahaha. No. The Earth is like 5 billion years old, and that statement alone kind of threw a lot of your credibility out the window
I was referring to recorded human history, NOT the age of the Earth. No one here is disputing the age of the planet, Carbon-14 dating really rules out the Scientology notion that the Earth is only a few thousand years old. I guess I should have differentiated better, sorry.

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I have no idea what you're trying to say here. The Romans were very heavily influenced by the Greeks.
I was saying that the Roman and Greek Gods were basically identical (as far as their "powers" and purposes go), they just had different names in each civilization.

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While there certainly was a blend of science and religion, how does this mean anything? You had a large portion of the population (Stoics) that believed the universe was part of a single whole and that gods were present in everything. How does that leave anything up to interpretation for aliens?
People thought that storms and weather and the fertility of their crops were all directly related to their "Gods" and how well they appeased them.

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Or... it could be the psychological need for mankind to want a "fatherly figure" to be looking after them. Of course, if you want to dismiss Freud then go ahead.
Freud's views on religion, space, aliens, etc. are deifinitely well researched and well thought out. He is most definitely entitled to his views, as are all of us. I wouldn't call a difference of opinion a dismissal of anything.

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That's 83 billion billion (83 with eighteen zeros after it) other stars with solar systems in the universe. To me, it's a statistical inevitability that we are not the only intelligent life in the universe. Alien life is not something you "believe in", it's pretty much something that exists, but we have yet to discover.
Couldn't agree more (except for the "haven't discovered yet" part). I believe that most religious icons/deities have actually been ET's, but were perceived as "Gods" since humans really had nothing better to equate them to (seeing as how we hadn't explored space in any great depths).

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Hell no. Even if someone found out about it and told people, they wouldn't be taken seriously. Oojay himself was abducted and there are a **** ton of skeptics here who don't believe him. You can't just go to the police or newspaper, they'd just laugh at you. Besides, think of of all of the conspiracy videos online, some of them have to be true, but you don't see the people who posted them becoming wealthy or benefiting from it in any way. I have no doubt that the government could keep it a secret, in fact they don't even have to because we hide it from ourselves.
Exactly. The US government has been feeding the public disinformation for decates.

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Lol, well, that's where wormholes come in. It was something Einstein proposed but only took half-seriously himself. Suppose we could "fold" the fabric of space in on itself and create a "shortcut"? It's something scientists seriously look into these days.
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Old 04-20-2011, 08:56 PM   #75 (permalink)
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I was saying that the Roman and Greek Gods were basically identical (as far as their "powers" and purposes go), they just had different names in each civilization.

People thought that storms and weather and the fertility of their crops were all directly related to their "Gods" and how well they appeased them.
Of course they were basically identical; Roman gods were derived from Greek gods. This isn't a coincidence if that's what you're implying. Religion is not the only thing the Greeks influenced the Romans on.

I am still failing to see any connection to aliens from this. I've already mentioned that they formulated their gods based on nature and astrology.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you saying they observed these gods/aliens in some way? Because that couldn't be further from the truth. There was extensive literature debating whether or not the gods existed, or how one could be inclined to believe they existed. Many didn't even adhere to the pagan tradition, not to mention Christianity was a threat from the start of the Roman Empire, and became the state religion in the 4th century. There was a clash of philosophies, whether it be scientific, metaphysical, ethical or anything else you want to point to. Everything points to the fact that there never was any sort of intervention by some sort of ET, and that their pantheon was just a human concoction to deal with the unknown, like all religion is.
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Of course they were basically identical; Roman gods were derived from Greek gods. This isn't a coincidence if that's what you're implying. Religion is not the only thing the Greeks influenced the Romans on.
I guess I worded it oddly, my apology. While many of the Roman Gods were directly borrowed from the Greeks, the Greeks based their Gods more on personality traits that they saw in humans (love, hate, dignity, etc) while the Romans based their Gods more on objects and ideas (or vice-versa, sometimes I do get them mixed up). This is really not the main part of the conversation that I was meaning to hit upon, so I don't have much argument here. I guess I was trying to convey that many cultures had/have similar Gods and deities that could very well have been the same entity (or different incarnations of the same entity).

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I am still failing to see any connection to aliens from this. I've already mentioned that they formulated their gods based on nature and astrology.
Agreed, but I was referring to the physical embodiment of their Gods. The Gods in Greek, Roman, and Norse mythology were physical beings, not just ideas. As are the Gods/Deities/Prophets of most religions. I personally believe that these beings were all (or mostly) ET's or somehow more advanced (physically, mentally, spiritually) than their followers.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you saying they observed these gods/aliens in some way?
Yes, I am (assuming we're using the same definition of "observed"). These Gods were literal, they were not just figments of imagination or ideas that were meant to keep society in check.

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Because that couldn't be further from the truth. There was extensive literature debating whether or not the gods existed, or how one could be inclined to believe they existed.
The existence of Gods has been in question for most of modern history. But in ancient times, it was the exact opposite. God's supposedly showed themselves to humans all the time. Most religious holy books are filled with encounters between humans and Gods. What I'm getting at is that these "Gods" were actually ET's.


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Many didn't even adhere to the pagan tradition, not to mention Christianity was a threat from the start of the Roman Empire, and became the state religion in the 4th century. There was a clash of philosophies, whether it be scientific, metaphysical, ethical or anything else you want to point to.
The time periods that each of us are referring to are thousands of years apart, so comparing them is a waste of time. From the beginning of time, civilization has always believed in Gods. From ancient Sumeria to Egypyt to Greece to Rome to America, as time progresses, it seems that society has moved more towards an IDEA of Gods, rather than a physical embodiment of them.

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Everything points to the fact that there never was any sort of intervention by some sort of ET, and that their pantheon was just a human concoction to deal with the unknown, like all religion is.
I disagree. There are many anomolies on Earth that cannot be explained and point to an ET intervention. The pyramids for example (Egyptian, Aztec, Mesopotamia, Chile, Spain, China, Greece, Nigeria, Sudan, India). Many of them are constructed of stones that could not possibly have been moved, carved, or constructed by humans at their respective stages in history. Also, the Nazca Lines (which can only be seen from above), and the numerous mountaintops in Peru that were somehow leveled to make flat landing strips, with no remnants of the rubble left behind or the tools and machinery used to do so. The pyramids of Giza are in allignment with the 3 stars on Orion's belt, how could they have done that? Stonehenge has slits that let rays of light shine through only on the summer and winter solstices.

And besides the HOW, there's also the WHY? Why build a pyramid with specific dimensions and astrological assignments just to house a dead body?
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Sorry to double post, but just for reference, here are links to the History Channel's "Ancient Aliens" and Discovery Channel's "The Universe."

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Old 04-20-2011, 10:03 PM   #78 (permalink)
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Old 04-20-2011, 10:54 PM   #79 (permalink)
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The time periods that each of us are referring to are thousands of years apart, so comparing them is a waste of time. From the beginning of time, civilization has always believed in Gods. From ancient Sumeria to Egypyt to Greece to Rome to America, as time progresses, it seems that society has moved more towards an IDEA of Gods, rather than a physical embodiment of them.
I thought you were referring to the Greek and Roman pantheon. If you're talking about civilizations in the Fertile Crescent it's much of the same though. Do the anthropomorphic depictions of these deities not eradicate any chance of these gods being aliens, at least in the conventional sense of the word? And how can you explain demigods in the Mesopotamian and Sumerian religions then?

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I disagree. There are many anomolies on Earth that cannot be explained and point to an ET intervention. The pyramids for example (Egyptian, Aztec, Mesopotamia, Chile, Spain, China, Greece, Nigeria, Sudan, India). Many of them are constructed of stones that could not possibly have been moved, carved, or constructed by humans at their respective stages in history. Also, the Nazca Lines (which can only be seen from above), and the numerous mountaintops in Peru that were somehow leveled to make flat landing strips, with no remnants of the rubble left behind or the tools and machinery used to do so. The pyramids of Giza are in allignment with the 3 stars on Orion's belt, how could they have done that? Stonehenge has slits that let rays of light shine through only on the summer and winter solstices.

And besides the HOW, there's also the WHY? Why build a pyramid with specific dimensions and astrological assignments just to house a dead body?
You do know the Egyptians had an absolutely fantastic understanding of astrology right? Babylon even more so, to the point where they used it to make political decisions. It was by far the most advanced "science" for both civilizations. So it should come as no surprise as to why they would construct a monument based on it. I can't remember all of the intricacies of the dimensions of the Great Pyramid, but there are many unique little facts like that. It was an architectural marvel, which is why it was named one of the Wonders of the Ancient World. And while it was/is very impressive, the alien theory is just something you toss in to a high school history lecture to keep kids interested. They don't know how exactly it was built but there are many perfectly legitimate theories.
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I didn't even know it was moved once before, but I think it fits into this section.
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