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Neapolitan

How can you say that? "So what...?" So plenty.
How can you defend Obama bin Laden's life and say "So what" to the thousands that died on 9/11. Those thousands you dismiss with a "so what," they didn't do anything to deserve what happen to them, they were innocent. Obama bin Laden is guilty of terrorism.

You honestly believe that terrorists have the right to kill and no one has a right to kill them? You demand people respect their life, while the lives of other people that died don't mean anything but a "so what?"

If you have anti American Gov't sediment then just come out with it don't trivialize those who died in the past. While I don't agree with total warfare, just because it has happened in the past is in no way an excuse for terrorism. Those who died at Hiroshima and Nagasaki both as the result of a nuclear blast and the aftermath due to the effects of radiation, and those who died during 9/11, they suffered tremendously, and their memory should been given 1000x the amount of respect you are afford terrorists.

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TheBig3

I think, for this entire thread, you've just been making your own assumptions and advancing from there. Atheism, People didn't care about the topic...given that the thread still has active posts should have tipped you off.

No ones talking about undoing 9/11. They're talking about preventing another 9/11 which, based on your arguments, policies you'd suggest following would allow for. As we've stated multiple times, no ones gloating that the US, arguably the strongest military in the world, killed one person. You've concocted this thought-police scenario and again, just went on posting as if it were fact.

If you're talking about settling a vendetta not being justice, I'd say maybe. But its a fools position to assume anything to do with OBL was revenge based when considering US policy. And if you're going to continue this line of reasoning, I think it would be intellectually honest if you would say what your position you'd have taken had you been the President.

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Dirty

What does the deaths of Hiroshima have to do with Osama? So...because the US killed people in Hiroshima which happened decades ago, it's no big deal that Osama organized the killings of thousands of innocent people? Are you trolling or just being a dipshit here??

In no way am I ashamed whatsoever that we found and killed one of the most dangerous men in the world and probably the USA's biggest terror threat. I doubt more than .1% of Americans are the least bit ashamed (I would've said 0% but there are people like VEGANGELICA). I don't even understand why you say you would be... Someone kills thousands of innocent citizens in the biggest attack against the US ever and we're NOT supposed to feel happy that he is no longer a threat? It makes zero sense.

Mojo

I can't bring myself to care that Bin Laden is dead. I know there are questions being raised concerning ethics and morals, in what is basically an assasination. That makes perfect sense to me, but I find it hard to concern myself so much with the human rights of a man who, in my opinion, gave his up long ago. Do I think he deserved to live? To be honest, no, I don't. I think that ideally the US would have taken him alive but I won't be shedding any tears knowing that he is no longer breathing.

What does frustrate me however is the "we got him!", "USA!", "God bless America" patriotic reaction to the news. I don't take any issue with anyone being proud of their country. Not at all, actually. I have no problem with someone loving their country, and being proud of their nationality. I respect the sense of unity that people can feel in stubbornly wanting to show strength and solidarity in the face of an attack like 9/11. Hell, I respect that alot. It just seems to me that the response to this, from certain people, suggests a belief that this was a much bigger win than I believe it is realistically.

The US put a bullet in the head of ONE ****head (alongwith his son and one civilian) but all I can see when I watch SOME of the American public responding the way they are, is a beaming pride in their country's actions, that almost suggests that this is one of those things that makes America great. That this is one of those things that "God" should "bless America" for. That is this one in the win column for America.

I don't see it as a win. Do I care that he's dead? No. Do I begrudge an American citizen emotionally affected by 9/11 a kind of sick, twisted, perverted pleasure in all of this? No. But this is not a win. They didn't kill terrorism. It's still there, and if those people predicting a strong, swift retallation are to believe, you may have even just turned the heat up.

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Sansa Stark

^ pretty much how I feel about it too.

It really kind of freaks me out to see everyone (with the exception of the 9/11 families feeling relief) celebrating this like we'd won a Super Bowl or something

Dirty

I don't see how taking out a terrorist leader and mastermind isn't a win. No, it didn't completely end terrorism and nothing ever will and I believe that most people realize that, but one of the biggest threats to my country is no longer living and that is definitely a victory.

I had my doubts that he would ever be captured or killed and I think a ton of other Americans felt the same way, especially after we invaded Iraq and that seemed to be our priority. It's great to see that our forces didn't give up after years of trying and finally took down one of the country's biggest threats. We probably would have got to Bin Laden years ago if Pakistan wasn't keeping him safe and playing both sides of the fence...Convincing the US that they were our allies while also lying about Bin Laden.

This could spark Al Quaeda to retaliate, but in my opinion they are always a legitimate threat. They have a hatred for America and want to inflict harm on us and I have no problem with assassinating every single member of their terror group. I don't feel like we should have sat back and not pursued Bin Laden for fears of retaliation. If an attack does happen, then we deal with it if we don't prevent it first.

Mojo

Well then I disagree with you. If this is a win, iI feel it's a far smaller win than alot of the masses celebrating believe it to be.

It's the ideals he had that need eliminating. In my opinion, that's where the threat is. It isn't currently decomposing at sea. Yeah, Bin Laden is dead but threats like 9/11 haven't died with him.

I understand the attitude you seem to have, Dirty. It seems to me that if people are raising questions of ethics or morals, you don't quite see it as being as simple as your country killing a human being, but rather who that human being is. You have said yourself that you personally don't see why anyone wouldn't agree with their decision to assasinate him, and I am not actually disagreeing with you on that one.

I guess where we do differ though is that the death of the man, and just that man, is no more than a symbolic victory, to me. It's a receipt, but no more.

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TheBig3

I don't mean to direct this at you, Mojo. But its too easy to say "I don't like that" and not give us an alternative. Reality is ugly. I'll grant you that, but we can't live in fantasy land. Nagasaki and Hiroshima were horrible disasters, but the same and worse would have been achieved by a land war in Japan. Furthermore, that was another instance of America hanging out, minding its own business and we were attacked.

Yes, we did stop trading with them because we supported the Allies, but thats our right, and it shouldn't be met with Kamakazie pilots. Terrorism will live on? Sure, but thats like saying people will still be ****ing ridiculous. It doesn't mean you shouldn't hunt down and kill someone who orchestrated multiple attacks on the united states.

Until one of these pacifists tell me what they'd have done instead, I just can't see anyone having a point.

I don't know how you celebrate a Superbowl win (don't answer that, I forgot you're from Michigan) but I don't go to Ground Zero and waive American Flags. I also didn't flip a car and set it on fire when I heard the news about OBL.

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Mojo

I didn't offer an alternative, because I didn't say I disagreed with the decision to take him out.

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