Dotoar

Oh, careful there! It's upon those who claim there is a god to prove it.

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The Virgin

it's already proven. the fact that you exist is proof enough.

Howard the Duck

it's something which you can neither prove nor disprove

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Malaise is THE dominant human predilection.

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra

Well and THIS makes more sense:

* God tells Adam and Eve not to eat a fruit
* Adam and Eve eat a fruit
* God punishes ALL humanity, holding a grudge
* God sends down a savior specifically to instruct humanity towards the light
* This savior performs incredible miracles to prove divinity
* This savior pisses people off, so they decide to execute him
* This savior 'lets' himself be executed, as the only way God will ever forgive all of humanity for eating that damn fruit is that if they whip his savior, and nail him to post where he slowly dies, and rots in the fields.

Tell me the logic.

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Al Pacino = God

The Virgin

you're too inclined and focus on the Bible, literally.
That's why I keep telling a lot of people that being religious does not mean being able to fully understand the Bible because that would be ridiculous.
Just know God and accept him and just simply do good, that's enough.

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra

See, and this is the lamest cop-out. Whenever the Bible says something that's horrible, or illogical it's... 'Oh, the Bible didn't mean that literally'.

Bull****, the people who wrote the bible meant 100% of it to be ****ing literal. If you for any moment questioned it in the society where it was written, they'd ****ing cart you to the center of town, and stone you to death.

If not that, they'd be whipping themselves in the back to try to get your attention, and sympathy. Torturing themselves in foreign lands only to prove how seriously, and literally they took it.

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Al Pacino = God

Stone Birds

let's answer this in a more logical sense:

If god is "All Knowing", then does he/she know everything we will do? Wouldn't he know that will happen, every detail, so wouldn't that mean that in a way everything that will happen was already decided, there is no such thing as "probability" only what will happen, humans are simple creatures that rely on the "probability" of things while god knows what is.
(sorry for the overuse of commas)

so no we don't have free will, we are the most predictable creatures, we are made to believe we have free will even though through the most basic law of the universe "Cause and Effect" basically states it as an impossibility, because every specific cause has a specific effect, and every specific effect also becomes a specific cause so it is an endless cycle of precisely timed events.

but if you want to believe that we do have free will simply make "Cause and Effect" to be a "hoax" from it's biggest flaw see since cause and effect is an endless cycle created from itself it can have no beginning, because it's beginning would have to be an effect of a cause, and that cause would be the effect of another cause, and so on... but if you ask this question you must also ask how the bible makes sense

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Dotoar

How can you prove that I'm not stemming from the vapor emitted by the invisible flying teapot between Jupiter and Mars? (Or planet Gong, for that matter)

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RVCA

Right, as is the existence of the flying spaghetti monster, invisible magical gnomes, tiny golden teapots orbiting our solar system, or any other infinite number of epistemic absurdities for which there is no evidence nor reason to believe exist. I quite disagree with "you can't disprove it and neither can I!" being a rational, or even accepted, basis for belief.

Dotoar

To be fair, as long as it's regarded as the basis for belief and not knowledge, there's not much harm in it. In any case it's basic knowledge that he who makes the positive claim is the one with the burden of proof. However, it also seem to be common practice among believers and so-called 'open-minded' people to disregard that.

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