American Presidency Campaign

RVCA · 01-10-2012, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

I don't know why anyone is getting so bent out of shape over politics. It's pointless to get pissed over politics. Garbage human beings, who are only out for themselves are just the sort of people that human beings are led by. To think that it's possible to change that is naive. Embrace the futility of politics and just watch with detached amusement like I do.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

So, you're for turning California, Texas, and half the rest of the country into a battle ground then?

TheBig3 · 01-10-2012, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RVCA

I don't know why I bother arguing with you, it has played out the same way in the past as it is now

> I point out some logical inconsistency (calling Santorum the least dishonorable of the candidates) in your statements, back it up with evidence
> You fall back to generalized statements that don't address the particular objection at hand, usually resorting to comments that are thinly-veiled personal attacks ("I have a job", "I know more than you about politics"... seriously, of what use is it to say things like this?)

As for cavorting off to another thread, what's the point? Why can't you just do it here? Show me I'm wrong, and that Santorum is "not dishonorable" as you earlier claimed.

I have a job wasn't an insult, its why I didn't read your link. I said "I know more about politics than you do" because you told me I didn't know what I was talking about. Which, for the record, is a pretty dickish statement on your part. You started this fight and now you're painting me as the jerk. I don't know why you can't act like an adult.

Also, I don't know how me finding him the most honorable candidate can be proven to be "illogical." Opinions aren't logical and I still stand by my statement. Maybe we see things differently, and I think thats fine, but to make a statement like "its illogical" is not only incorrect, its uncivilized and rude.

RVCA · 01-10-2012, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

I have a job wasn't an insult, its why I didn't read your link. I said "I know more about politics than you do" because you told me I didn't know what I was talking about. Which, for the record, is a pretty dickish statement on your part. You started this fight and now you're painting me as the jerk. I don't know why you can't act like an adult.

You said something to the effect of "I have a job I can't spend all my time on the internet" which insinuates that people like me, who can provide sources for their claims and evidence for their opinions, don't have jobs and spend all their time on the internet.

You said "I know more than you about politics", which may or may not be true, but is not relevant to the argument at hand. We are not having an argument over who knows more about politics, we are arguing over a very specific subject: the state of Rick Santorum's corruption as a politician.

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Also, I don't know how me finding him the most honorable candidate can be proven to be "illogical." Opinions aren't logical and I still stand by my statement. Maybe we see things differently, and I think thats fine, but to make a statement like "its illogical" is not only incorrect, its uncivilized and rude.

Beliefs are not immune to scrutiny. That is a very important concept to understand. Your belief that Santorum is "honorable" is apparently based on a incomplete picture of his background, and his background is filled to the brim with scandal and dishonor.

I stated my position on Santorum, showing specific ways in which your initial opinion is wrong. You STILL HAVE YET to provide a counter-argument for why, despite my specific examples, Santorum is still "honorable". In light of that, it's probably best if we stop arguing about it now because it's going nowhere.

TheBig3 · 01-10-2012, 05:37 PM

I think thats fair. Lets bury the hatchet. I love you RVCA. Enjoy the nudes I'm PMing to you.

Just so there are less hard feelings. I don't mean that backing your statements up means you're an unemployed economic drain, I meant "I literally cannot go look at the link because I'm squeezing in 40 sites before my boss walks by again."

hip hop bunny hop · 01-10-2012, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

So, you're for turning California, Texas, and half the rest of the country into a battle ground then?

umm, we're already deporting illegals:

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The poll results, released Wednesday, show that Latinos do not agree with the Obama Administration record of nearly 400,000 deportations annually that has been bitterly criticized by immigration advocates.

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...and there is no battleground.

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Originally Posted by RVCA

Ignoring the site's agenda, if you look at the actual entity that published the report and the report itself, it becomes hard to discredit. And I don't think it's realistic to reject the tag of "corrupt" solely because someone hasn't actually been convicted of a crime; looking at the acts themselves should be enough.

I'm looking into this ATM LINK and it doesn't appear as though the organization behind the allegations is bipartisan.

Anyways, coincidentally earlier I was reading a neat article on the general topics of Liberalism & Govt. corruption:

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Why don’t Americans trust their government? It’s not because they dislike individual programs like Medicare. It’s more likely because they think the whole system is rigged. Or to put it in the economists’ language, they believe the government has been captured by rent-seekers.

This is the disease that corrodes government at all times and in all places. As George F. Will wrote in a column in Sunday’s Washington Post, as government grows, interest groups accumulate, seeking to capture its power and money.

link to brooks article

TheBig3 · 01-10-2012, 05:48 PM

Alright, HHB, i know you think I'm a pussy, but hopefully I can say this sternly enough for you to take me seriously.

Why don't you just make points? Does everyone routinely have 15 webpages open?

ThePhanastasio · 01-10-2012, 10:09 PM

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No context on this one, but for those who don't know, those two fine gentlemen with Ron Paul are the founders of Stormfront.

I'm really confused on how Ron Paul isn't racist, after all he's against the Civil Rights act iirc. I don't see how his reasons could be anything other than he's a ****ing bigot. It's just like when you hear morons who fly the Confederate flag talk about how it's not racist!!! it's about state's rights!!!

I don't think so....

Wrong. Ron Paul is a Libertarian, through and through. He may be wearing Republican's clothing right now, but he's still a Libertarian.

The most important thing about the Libertarian Party's stance on - pretty much everything - is that things should be carried forth with an absolute minimum of government control.

The actual government passing legislature that applies to the nation as a whole, even when meant as anti-discriminatory legislation, is always going to infringe on someone else's beliefs. Leaving social issues up to the states is, in his eyes, a much more fair way for the majority of a given area to receive proper representation on these issues.

Oh, and that was his son, Rand Paul, who said he was opposed to the Civil Rights movement. I'm sure, though, that Ron Paul would say the same thing regarding actual legislation passed as being a state issue, not a government issue; with those particular decisions, the politician's own personal feelings don't come into play, and I actually kind of like that...but at the same time, I don't have faith in people to be smart enough to vote for things which seem like common sense.

crash_override · 01-10-2012, 10:39 PM

All this pro-Santorum talk is trolling, right...?

Right?

ThePhanastasio · 01-10-2012, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by crash_override

All this pro-Santorum talk is trolling, right...?

Right?

I guess some people do support him, or he'd not still be in the race. Personally, I'm probably still going to vote Obama, but I do like to really compare and contrast candidates to make a decision before I vote.

What I've gotten from the Republican debates, as far as candidates I am most likely to consider supporting:

Jon Huntsman > Ron Paul >>> Mitt Romney >> Newt Gingrich > Rick Perry > Rick Santorum.

But that's just me.

I think Hunstman is the only one that I'd seriously consider voting for, because Ron Paul trying to adapt a Libertarian platform to a Republican-friendly one is just grating.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 01-10-2012, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RVCA

I don't know why I bother arguing with you, it has played out the same way in the past as it is now

> I point out some logical inconsistency (calling Santorum the least dishonorable of the candidates) in your statements, back it up with evidence
> You fall back to generalized statements that don't address the particular objection at hand, usually resorting to comments that are thinly-veiled personal attacks ("I have a job", "I know more than you about politics"... seriously, of what use is it to say things like this?)

As for cavorting off to another thread, what's the point? Why can't you just do it here? Show me I'm wrong, and that Santorum is "not dishonorable" as you earlier claimed.

But RVCA, it's HIS opinion. That's what he believes. You believe differently on what you've read and decided is fact whereas Big3 knows different from experience. Please stop picking a fight or take it to PM please.

01-10-2012, 05:37 PM	#54 (permalink)
TheBig3 killedmyraindog Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 11,172	I think thats fair. Lets bury the hatchet. I love you RVCA. Enjoy the nudes I'm PMing to you. Just so there are less hard feelings. I don't mean that backing your statements up means you're an unemployed economic drain, I meant "I literally cannot go look at the link because I'm squeezing in 40 sites before my boss walks by again." __________________ I've moved to a new address

01-10-2012, 05:48 PM	#56 (permalink)
TheBig3 killedmyraindog Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 11,172	Alright, HHB, i know you think I'm a pussy, but hopefully I can say this sternly enough for you to take me seriously. Why don't you just make points? Does everyone routinely have 15 webpages open? __________________ I've moved to a new address