'Dark Knight Rises' screening shooting in suburban Denver (12 dead, 38 wounded)

Key · 08-09-2012, 06:38 PM

I posted this on Facebook earlier today. They are now claiming that he is crazy.

James Holmes' Lawyers -- Our Client Is INSANE | TMZ.com

I seriously see a huge flaw in how they are dealing with this. Look at the evidence against him and whether or not he is crazy, he should not be treated respectfully. I'm not against the death sentence, because he murdered 20 people, at least that's what sources say. If they make him rot in jail, fine. If they inject him to "the deep sleep" that's fine too. He should not be able to walk away unharmed.

PoorOldPo · 08-12-2012, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ki

I posted this on Facebook earlier today. They are now claiming that he is crazy.

James Holmes' Lawyers -- Our Client Is INSANE | TMZ.com

I seriously see a huge flaw in how they are dealing with this. Look at the evidence against him and whether or not he is crazy, he should not be treated respectfully. I'm not against the death sentence, because he murdered 20 people, at least that's what sources say. If they make him rot in jail, fine. If they inject him to "the deep sleep" that's fine too. He should not be able to walk away unharmed.

I am against the death sentence either way, we are not in the stone age anymore. He may have done an truly awful thing, but the death sentence is wrong either way, no compromise. That being said, my imperfect and raw reactionary self ( despite the fact I don't like conflict and have never been in a fight) would probably slit that guys throat if it was someone I loved that he had killed. I still think the death sentence is wrong. He can suffer in a ****ty American prison for the rest of his days.

~~Sansa Stark~~ · 08-12-2012, 04:46 PM

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That's a nice, fluffy idealistic thought, but there are about 45 million gun owners in America (or more).

It'd be logistically impossible to enforce.

Wow really so it's a lie that European countries do it?

TheBig3 · 08-13-2012, 08:39 AM

Its not something we can enforce with law. You need to remind people (via an ad campaign or whatever) that many of these issues could have been nipped in the bud if someone had just said "you know, I think theres something wrong with this guy."

Columbine, Virginia Tech, Denver...people knew these people were off, but everyone wants to mind their own business. Well, fine, mind your own business, but don't be shocked when a large auditorium is shot up by that same nut bag.

We track terrorists constantly for Christ sake, how about we do a quick sweep to see if the guy people think is off, and tried to join a gun range isn't buying 60,000 rounds of ammo.

Paedantic Basterd · 08-13-2012, 08:48 AM

The number of mass shootings in the states often dwarfs those in one year by the remaining first world countries combined. I think gun culture and the right to bear arms are dangerous in and of themselves. I'm not trying to be controversial about the constitution, but I don't know where to point when the rest of the world doesn't appear to have nearly the same problem, and guns as a human right seem like a root of it.

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 08-13-2012, 04:35 PM

Am I the only one who thinks the Sihk Temple shooting was far, far worse than this one? It is awful to compare the two and call any act of mass murder "better" or "worse" than the other, but due to the media's very different reactions to both events, I'd say it's justified in this instance.

The Aurora shooting, despite having a higher death toll, was the work of someone who is very clearly disturbed, with no other motivation than whatever rationale his deeply disturbed mind came up with. James Holmes is clearly not well. Regardless of your opinions of his courtroom appearance and whether or not he's faking his erratic behavior, the very fact that there was no apparent motivation beyond inflicting as many deaths as possible should tell you that this man's brain alone is responsible for his actions. It was, in this sense, unavoidable.

The Sihk Temple shooter was motivated by hate. Hate for those of another race, of another religion. He associated himself with hate groups and violent White Supremist culture. He was in full control of his faculties. If either men were to be called evil, it would be him. Holmes may very well be insane, this man was full of hatred for his fellow man, simply because they do not fit his vision of an ideal person.

Unlike the James Holmes case, we can actually prevent these types of hate crimes with education about tolerance and respect. This case should have recieved more attention, but it didn't. It should have opened up a huge dialog about hate groups in the United States — it didnt. Instead we get 2 hours of experts speculating on what Holmes had for breakfast on the morning of the murders.

**Janszoon** · 08-13-2012, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Conan

Am I the only one who thinks the Sihk Temple shooting was far, far worse than this one? It is awful to compare the two and call any act of mass murder "better" or "worse" than the other, but due to the media's very different reactions to both events, I'd say it's justified in this instance.

The Aurora shooting, despite having a higher death toll, was the work of someone who is very clearly disturbed, with no other motivation than whatever rationale his deeply disturbed mind came up with. James Holmes is clearly not well. Regardless of your opinions of his courtroom appearance and whether or not he's faking his erratic behavior, the very fact that there was no apparent motivation beyond inflicting as many deaths as possible should tell you that this man's brain alone is responsible for his actions. It was, in this sense, unavoidable.

The Sihk Temple shooter was motivated by hate. Hate for those of another race, of another religion. He associated himself with hate groups and violent White Supremist culture. He was in full control of his faculties. If either men were to be called evil, it would be him. Holmes may very well be insane, this man was full of hatred for his fellow man, simply because they do not fit his vision of an ideal person.

Unlike the James Holmes case, we can actually prevent these types of hate crimes with education about tolerance and respect. This case should have recieved more attention, but it didn't. It should have opened up a huge dialog about hate groups in the United States — it didnt. Instead we get 2 hours of experts speculating on what Holmes had for breakfast on the morning of the murders.

I don't know. I think Page was fairly mentally disturbed too, just in a different way. I mean the guy was such a horrible alcoholic that he couldn't even hold a job. He clearly had some issues beyond a lack of tolerance education. Like Holmes he was estranged from his family and, like Holmes, he had apparently metamorphosed into a completely different person during the separation.

hip hop bunny hop · 08-14-2012, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Conan

Unlike the James Holmes case, we can actually prevent these types of hate crimes with education about tolerance and respect..

lolwut?

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 08-14-2012, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

lolwut?

What are you confused about?

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 08-14-2012, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

I don't know. I think Page was fairly mentally disturbed too, just in a different way. I mean the guy was such a horrible alcoholic that he couldn't even hold a job. He clearly had some issues beyond a lack of tolerance education. Like Holmes he was estranged from his family and, like Holmes, he had apparently metamorphosed into a completely different person during the separation.

That's fair. I think any individual who would commit a random act of mass murder has to be fairly disturbed, I'm just making the point that the attacks weren't entirely random, so I wonder how much racial hatred acted as a catalyst to the event.

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Key . Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 13,153	I posted this on Facebook earlier today. They are now claiming that he is crazy. James Holmes' Lawyers -- Our Client Is INSANE \| TMZ.com I seriously see a huge flaw in how they are dealing with this. Look at the evidence against him and whether or not he is crazy, he should not be treated respectfully. I'm not against the death sentence, because he murdered 20 people, at least that's what sources say. If they make him rot in jail, fine. If they inject him to "the deep sleep" that's fine too. He should not be able to walk away unharmed.

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Paedantic Basterd Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5,184	The number of mass shootings in the states often dwarfs those in one year by the remaining first world countries combined. I think gun culture and the right to bear arms are dangerous in and of themselves. I'm not trying to be controversial about the constitution, but I don't know where to point when the rest of the world doesn't appear to have nearly the same problem, and guns as a human right seem like a root of it.

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~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,538	Am I the only one who thinks the Sihk Temple shooting was far, far worse than this one? It is awful to compare the two and call any act of mass murder "better" or "worse" than the other, but due to the media's very different reactions to both events, I'd say it's justified in this instance. The Aurora shooting, despite having a higher death toll, was the work of someone who is very clearly disturbed, with no other motivation than whatever rationale his deeply disturbed mind came up with. James Holmes is clearly not well. Regardless of your opinions of his courtroom appearance and whether or not he's faking his erratic behavior, the very fact that there was no apparent motivation beyond inflicting as many deaths as possible should tell you that this man's brain alone is responsible for his actions. It was, in this sense, unavoidable. The Sihk Temple shooter was motivated by hate. Hate for those of another race, of another religion. He associated himself with hate groups and violent White Supremist culture. He was in full control of his faculties. If either men were to be called evil, it would be him. Holmes may very well be insane, this man was full of hatred for his fellow man, simply because they do not fit his vision of an ideal person. Unlike the James Holmes case, we can actually prevent these types of hate crimes with education about tolerance and respect. This case should have recieved more attention, but it didn't. It should have opened up a huge dialog about hate groups in the United States — it didnt. Instead we get 2 hours of experts speculating on what Holmes had for breakfast on the morning of the murders.