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Old 11-08-2012, 03:25 PM   #551 (permalink)
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I think rural areas need the protection in ways that urban areas don't. Going to a popular vote would create an urban bias. Voting is the lowest level of political participation and there's inherent inequality in voting power in a federalist system. It's just part of it. If we had a unitarian system then it would be a bigger problem and a popular vote would make more sense.
Most Americans live in cities. I don't see that as an urban bias so much as simply a reflection of where most people in this country are coming from.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:38 PM   #552 (permalink)
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You seem to favor utilitarianism and I favor minority rights. If you're really concerned about equality of voice then the bigger problem is the primary system it gives the early states an unfair advantage and the late states no say at all. These early states then get policies in their favor for their support.
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You seem to favor utilitarianism and I favor minority rights.
This seems an odd dichotomy to create. I care very about minority rights, but I think that's pretty irrelevant to this particular conversation about the electoral college.

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If you're really concerned about equality of voice then the bigger problem is the primary system it gives the early states an unfair advantage and the late states no say at all. These early states then get policies in their favor for their support.
Yep, that's a problem too. Doesn't change the fact that the electoral college is also a problem.
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Old 11-08-2012, 05:00 PM   #554 (permalink)
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Just curious here, but which of Romney's positions do you agree with?
Very few. One position I can think of is that Romney supported a woman's right to choose to have an abortion in the case of rape, incest, and risk to her life. (At least he didn't want to take away all women's rights over their bodies.)

Also, Romney didn't support affirmative action. Although I agree with affirmative action's goal of ending discrimination, I oppose affirmative action or "positive discrimination" because I feel people shouldn't be encouraged or forced to discriminate among school and employment applicants based on race, ethnicity, or gender (immutable characteristics unrelated to competency). I prefer less discriminatory methods for working toward social and economic equality, such as by increasing need-based financial aid for low income students and expanding job searches but still selecting based on merit and individuality, not stereotypes.

(My opinion on affirmative action is due partly on my experience of it, because I was a beneficiary of affirmative action when I was accepted into the university I attended, without realizing it at the time.)

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What do you feel would be the flaws of simply having a popular vote? The way I see it, it would give everyone an equal voice and also make third party candidates more viable. Both of those seem like positives to me.
I agree that the U.S. should do away with the Electoral College system of selecting the president. Like Janszoon says, every person's vote in the presidential election should be equal, and a person's geographical location should not alter the impact of her or his vote.

I've read that the Electoral College concept does have some good goals, such as making sure that presidential candidates don't focus all their energy on the states where they have the greatest support, trying to increase the voter turn-out there while ignoring the rest of the country. The Electoral College forces political parties and candidates to appeal to people in a larger number of states, which might make the U.S. a stronger republic.

But we already have the Senate that enables states to have their needs heard and addressed by the central government regardless of the states' population or economic power. So there is no need to have an Electoral College that causes the current undemocratic system in which some people's votes are worth more than other people's.

Also, I think the Electoral College encourages the main political candidates to become too similar to each other on too many topics as they cater to the middle, hoping not to repel people.
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This seems an odd dichotomy to create. I care very about minority rights, but I think that's pretty irrelevant to this particular conversation about the electoral college.


Yep, that's a problem too. Doesn't change the fact that the electoral college is also a problem.
The electoral college was put in place to protect minority rights of less populated states.

Having a moderate president is a good thing. Electoral College saved us from Ross Perot.
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I think the system of voting works great IMO

only wack part is the waiting in line to vote... that needs change because waiting in line sucks
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I think the system of voting works great IMO

only wack part is the waiting in line to vote... that needs change because waiting in line sucks
They should just make each candidate a Facebook page, and whichever gets the most likes, wins the presidency.

Would have way better turnout that way...
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The electoral college was put in place to protect minority rights of less populated states.
And winds up impinging on the minority rights of individuals within those states.

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Having a moderate president is a good thing. Electoral College saved us from Ross Perot.
Ross Perot didn't win the popular vote so, no, it didn't.
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I'm not saying it doesn't do that. I just don't think it's as big of a deal as everyone thinks. Sometimes you vote and you lose. If having an equal voice and 3rd parties are important to you then multi-member districts should be a priority. You could make each individual district an individual electoral vote and it would achieve a middle ground without splitting the baby. It would be more reflective of the popular vote and still be a stable system. It would still create an urban bias.

People would act differently if the rules were different. It's not outlandish to say that Perot would've gotten more votes if the election was based off of the popular vote. Having a popular vote could lead to having an extremist in power since the amount of votes needed would go way down. You'd likely to get many 3rd parties to run which would divide voters and you could elect the president with an extremely low percentage of the vote. You could of course put in a mandatory run off election but the thing is Americans vote too much, up to 5 times a year, and for too many offices, it is absurd to elect judges.
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They should just make each candidate a Facebook page, and whichever gets the most likes, wins the presidency.

Would have way better turnout that way...
LOL It would be too unfair to Romney though
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