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I think the only people that should go in are the UN who in theory are the only acceptable solution but after the old Yugoslavia debacle amongst others public opinion here at least, largely sees them as a waste of time, so in practice I don't know how good they would do. As I'm generally anti-war, it pains me to say that the only other option would be to include the predicatable international force, but any force I feel would need to be made up of other Arab states and have approval from Russia. Which I don't see happening, so I think Syria will need to deal with this internally.
Three questions:
1. Why such faith in the UN?
2. Why do you want such a diverse international force?
3. Thoughts on how Libya was handled?
I'm just trying to understand where your borders are for combat. I'd ask when you think force is necessary but I assume thats a longer conversation.
The point is I don't have much faith in the UN at all, but who else other than a US or European led force could do it? If of course international intervention is the key to stop the slaughter there, which I think it is.
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2. Why do you want such a diverse international force?
It's either this, as I can't see just one country taking on the burden alone (unless it was for their own agenda)
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3. Thoughts on how Libya was handled?
It was squeezed from the outside, whilst the Libyans ousted the regime from within. It was actually handled as well as could be expected.
So what are your suggestions concerning the Syrian conflict?
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If you can't deal with the fact that there are 6+ billion people in the world and none of them think exactly the same that's not my problem. Just deal with it yourself or make actual conversation. This isn't a court and I'm not some poet or prophet that needs everything I say to be analytically critiqued.
The sad truth is that Bashar Al-Assad will most likely hold onto power, he has too many strong geo political allies, both Russia, China & Iran are backing the regime, which is why you haven't seen any NATO intervention like you did in Lybia.
The first thing the Russians did when the crisis unfolded was send battle cruisers into Syrian waters to send a strong message to the west. China & Russia have also been vetoing UN Security Council Resolutions that would allow for any punative action against Syria. Finally Iran has been supplying the Syrian government with aid & arms, and strategic military advise.
The west is indebted & broke, and there is no will amongst the American people to endure another Iraq. Bashar Al-Assad will win the day.
and, i read that russia and china were sending troops. but again, that is what i read on the internet, so, i will take that with a grain of salt. whatever happens in syria is going to happen, whether or not it favors the revisionist zionists in the neighboring promised land. is a secular jew not an oxymoron? and, who promised it to them. the lord. lord balfour. and, as the lord lives, he will not be enquired of us. and, does anyone really believe that the will of the american people carries any weight around here? they actually believe that they are going to have their guns taken away, so, they can't use them to overthrow the government
bring what? a little bomb filled with some sort of permanent sedative, silent but deadly farting gas is a guess. but, if zion is eden, then that is in indiana. who knew that the mid-east was in the midwest
it could be that america and israel were set up as straw dogs. the far right appears to have made a shift to the left according to unreliable sources. but, the term is now 'neoliberalism', and, it contains the word liberal, so, there must be something to it. and, that motto, 'IN GOD WE TRUST', is in caps on the back of every 'federal reserve note' they print for us to trust.
they insinuate that the jews are to blame for everything, and, if anyone does they are anti-semitic, and, it's all just horesh*t, or maybe whoresh*t.
Semitic
noun
1. a subfamily of Afroasiatic languages that includes Akkadian, Arabic, Aramaic, Ethiopic, hebrew, and Phoenician.
so, anyone know why the word hebrew is not capitalized? the same reason i don't capitalize letters. and, certainly do not dislike persons of the religious persuasion who do not desire to own the entire planet. the ones i've known are hard working, very respectable, and try their best to practice an impossible religion, based on a story that is among those being used to suppress, oppress, depress, and all for the utter insatiable appetite for wealth and control by a few or few zillion who replicate, and reproduce the same old story.
produce but do not possess. and, if you do not wrangle, you will not be blamed.
the evidence suggests that there is a grand pyramid scheme. network marketing at its finest.
it's complicated, and, if he is guilty of crimes against humanity he will join a looooong list. Netanyahu is in the process of forming a new government in israel. we will simply have to wait and watch. and, don't believe everything you read or view. this included.
Here are some things I find particularly hilarious, in ascending order:
3. Obliviousness to the differences in Syrian society; e.g., pretending there are no major differences between Alawites, Christians, & Sunni. Seems like some lazybones should look at the demographic compostion of the government and army.
2. The notion that this is was some sort of spontaneous, internal uprising. The reality is this is part of a global conflict, played out by animated regional actors (primarily Iran & Saudi Arabia and their associated proxies) at the discretion of their associated global hegemonys.
1. That violence delegitimizes a Government and/or that Democracy is somehow more legitimate than other forms of Governance.
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3. Obliviousness to the differences in Syrian society; e.g., pretending there are no major differences between Alawites, Christians, & Sunni. Seems like some lazybones should look at the demographic compostion of the government and army.
For once I agree with you on something. From what I hear after Gaddafi was toppled, Mali mercenaries working for him took Libyan weapons and went back to Mali and helped to rejuvenate the rebellion against the government, and we see how that's turning out. So I think that we should respect the law of unintended consequences and quit engaging in short sighted altruism.
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There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.
Batlord, not only did the mercenaries returning from Libya destablize an area larger than Texas, but they actually changed the nature of the rebellion itself. Here's a link to a good article on the subject.
The west tends to let these dictators hang themselves, whilst shouting threats from the sidelines.
When all is done and dusted, they then proceed to make a mess of things as they try to install some kind of democracy in the country. Which is useless, as most of these countries have no real concept of democracy.
It's not only that. The UN can't do anything without Russia agreeing, and they're still hands in pockets mumbling "Ahh, he not such a bad guy, y'know? We had Stalin! Now THERE was a dictator!" and of course at the same time smuggling arms to his forces. So the UN does nothing cos they can't. And then there's the Arab League. Can't piss them off either. Basically it's really a case of "**** it if you want to kill yourselves do, see if we care" which is terrible but what pisses me off are these news stories about the refugees. I have sympathy for them, but why show these things if there's nothing they can/will do about the situation? It's like "look how bad it is, but we can't make it any better".
US needs to strongarm Russia and get them to play ball. This has gone on too long, too many people have died and too many other people --- people ostensibly in power --- are just standing on the sidelines, wringing their hands and saying "we can't do anything cos the Russkies have the ball and won't let anyone play." Grow a set, UN, FFS!
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