Marte Deborah Dalelv Rape Incident

hip hop bunny hop · 08-01-2013, 01:26 PM

Soldier, your slander aside, I've already discussed, in this very thread, how Arabs are White, so...

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth

That's not the point. He's accusing people who call those laws backward or misogynist of racism. If they were laws in a western country, people would have no qualms about saying that about them. But because they're part of another culture suddenly it's not misogynist to charge women for their own rape, and to say that it is would be a suggestion of racial superiority? That's the same kind of hypersensitivity he was accusing western liberals of.

Misogyny is not an absolute; it's a byproduct of a particular cultures view of the different sexes. Hence whether or not it's appropriate to call something misogynistic is dependent upon the cultural context.

The behavior being exhibited here is racist. Why is it racist? Because it's ethnocentric.

Unknown Soldier · 08-01-2013, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

Soldier, your slander aside, I've already discussed, in this very thread, how Arabs are White, so...

How can it be slander, when you've constantly implied before that individual races shouldn't mix and the superiority of your race and culture over others?

I've not seen where you've discussed this about Arabs and sure a percentage of Arabs are white, but the majority are certainly not.

~~Sansa Stark~~ · 08-01-2013, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

Soldier, your slander aside, I've already discussed, in this very thread, how Arabs are White, so...

Misogyny is not an absolute; it's a byproduct of a particular cultures view of the different sexes. Hence whether or not it's appropriate to call something misogynistic is dependent upon the cultural context.

The behavior being exhibited here is racist. Why is it racist? Because it's ethnocentric.

I disagree that it can't be called misogynistic, however clearly if you're calling attention to misogyny in cultures unlike your own and not even caring about the misogyny in your own culture you're yeah....probably a racist. I say that it can still be called misogynistic because misogynistic behaviour is still misogynistic behaviour (this part isn't to you hhbh) and painting a whole culture with the misogyny brush....you guessed it....makes you a fucking racist.

If I were to say "all Christians are homophobic, racist, sexist pigs" then everyone would be all "omgggg not all of us hate u gays/womenetc"

I mean especially to treat Muslims as if they're all backwards witless cretins is so laughably ignorant of history that it makes me want to punch myself in the face w/ secondhand embarrassment.
Lets remember Christian nations are actually the least civilised in a lot of ways.

~~Sansa Stark~~ · 08-01-2013, 02:52 PM

For example, how come there was no thread about what happened in Steubenville?

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 08-01-2013, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

Soldier, your slander aside, I've already discussed, in this very thread, how Arabs are White, so...

Misogyny is not an absolute; it's a byproduct of a particular cultures view of the different sexes. Hence whether or not it's appropriate to call something misogynistic is dependent upon the cultural context.

The behavior being exhibited here is racist. Why is it racist? Because it's ethnocentric.

Then misogyny must be defined as hatred/discrimination towards western women by western men. In that case, it's not so much 'wrong' as it is a matter of poor manners based on a particular cultural context.

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Originally Posted by Sansa Stark

I disagree that it can't be called misogynistic, however clearly if you're calling attention to misogyny in cultures unlike your own and not even caring about the misogyny in your own culture you're yeah....probably a racist. I say that it can still be called misogynistic because misogynistic behaviour is still misogynistic behaviour (this part isn't to you hhbh) and painting a whole culture with the misogyny brush....you guessed it....makes you a fucking racist.

If I were to say "all Christians are homophobic, racist, sexist pigs" then everyone would be all "omgggg not all of us hate u gays/womenetc"

I mean especially to treat Muslims as if they're all backwards witless cretins is so laughably ignorant of history that it makes me want to punch myself in the face w/ secondhand embarrassment.
Lets remember Christian nations are actually the least civilised in a lot of ways.

But nobody is saying that all Muslims are misogynists. If you were to say Christianity has problem with homophobia I wouldn't disagree with you. It's no different to point out that Muslim countries tend to have sexist laws.

~~Sansa Stark~~ · 08-01-2013, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth

Then misogyny must be defined as hatred/discrimination towards western women by western men. In that case, it's not so much 'wrong' as it is a matter of poor manners based on a particular cultural context.

But nobody is saying that all Muslims are misogynists. If you were to say Christianity has problem with homophobia I wouldn't disagree with you. It's no different to point out the Muslim countries tend to have sexist laws.

Except Muslims tend to be not white, so if you're not equally as concerned about the misogyny in your own country then

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wait for it...

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 08-01-2013, 03:09 PM

So what?

~~Sansa Stark~~ · 08-01-2013, 03:09 PM

~~butthead aka 216~~ · 08-01-2013, 03:13 PM

i dont really think anything going on here is racist lol

like i think we can have opinions on different countries or cultures and its not necessarily racist

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 08-01-2013, 03:13 PM

My response was to "Muslims tend not to be white," before you edited in the rest.

I'm concerned with sexism in my own country, but the scale of how sexist it is factors in too. If this sort of thing happened in America then I would be more concerned about that than I am about this.

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~~John Wilkes Booth~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,235	My response was to "Muslims tend not to be white," before you edited in the rest. I'm concerned with sexism in my own country, but the scale of how sexist it is factors in too. If this sort of thing happened in America then I would be more concerned about that than I am about this.