Marte Deborah Dalelv Rape Incident

hip hop bunny hop · 07-19-2013, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla

It's so backwards. Why can't tourists have rights like they do in their originating country?

This post is just dripping with racism. Sorry, but their morality is just as valid your morality, their national borders just as sacrosanct, and they're no more backward than we are.

When a person visits a foreign country, you should obey the laws of that country. Even if you're a woman.

Guybrush · 07-19-2013, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

This post is just dripping with racism.

You think that being sceptical towards culture, laws or morals equals racism?

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

Sorry, but their morality is just as valid your morality, their national borders just as sacrosanct, and they're no more backward than we are.

It is from a certain point of view, f.ex from the point of view of someone with general western world values like people should not be held accountable for the crimes done against them. You're a westerner, why don't you subscribe to those values?

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

When a person visits a foreign country, you should obey the laws of that country. Even if you're a woman.

Should? I think what someone should do depends entirely on context. Let's mentally place Marte back at the hotel right after she got raped. What do you think she should do? Reflect on how getting raped is illegal in that country and turn herself in? If yes, why should she do that?

Trollheart · 07-19-2013, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

This post is just dripping with racism.

Pot, meet kettle! That you even have the gall to mention racism when you are one of the most racist posters here is amazing to me. Funny how you always side against the woman in any argument, isn't it?

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Sorry, but their morality is just as valid your morality, their national borders just as sacrosanct, and they're no more backward than we are.

You don't think the idea of stoning to death, or so-called honour killings are backward?

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When a person visits a foreign country, you should obey the laws of that country. Even if you're a woman.

How in the fuck can she obey the law when she gets raped? It's not like (as far as we know) she went out looking to be raped! And when she looked for help all she got from these fuckheads was a draconian legal system that virtually denies a woman any rights at all. Fucking great example! Why don't you just join the Nazi party, or are you a member already?

Also, why is it that muslims (let's select them as this is revelant to them) seem to think they can follow their own law in the UK, flouting English law, but when an English person goes to one of the countries where Sharia law is in force they have to abide by that? Double standard or what?

Trollheart · 07-19-2013, 01:08 PM

Tore, what if anything are the Norwegian government doing about this? I assume they've at least lodged a protest, sent a representative to Dubai?

Guybrush · 07-19-2013, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Tore, what if anything are the Norwegian government doing about this? I assume they've at least lodged a protest, sent a representative to Dubai?

The minister of foreign affairs have publically (is that spelled right?) called the whole thing a mockery of justice (fully agree with him there) and I believe that they will help pay for her legal representation.

I assume they are trying to negotiate some sort of return to home as well. Charges dropped is of course what I am hoping for. I imagine that if things do not go quite that well, perhaps they could negotiate that she does her time in a Norwegian prison. A Norwegian girl doing time in a Norwegian prison for having sex outside of marriage when she was raped is, of course, ridiculous .. but perhaps she'd think it preferable to doing time in Dubai and I assume she should get her sentence reduced if this was the final outcome.

By the way, thanks to everyone who have shared this, signed the petition, or otherwise contributed

Hopefully, it helps her!

Trollheart · 07-19-2013, 03:02 PM

This has made my blood boil! I swear, I need to calm down...
For those who are interested, this is the email I sent TheOne...

Dear Sir (I'm assuming those in charge are male, as a woman would not abandon another woman in this shameful, cowardly way!)

I read with mounting horror, disbelief and finally disgust the account of your ex-employee Marte Deborah Dalelv and the position she has been put in. I can only say I am aghast that a firm could indulge in such reprehensible behaviour. You have totally abrogated your responsibility to your employee, and condemned her to a frightening ordeal, which she should not in any way be subject to. Moreover, you have sent a very clear and wrong message to others who seek to rape and abuse tourists in Dubai and other countries where Sharia Law is in force, and you have made it quite clear you have no problem with these criminals getting away with such behaviour. You have set a very dark and troubling precedent, and ensured that this law, which most right-thinking people see as not only draconian but irrelevant and outdated, will continue to be practiced and forced upon those who do not even come under the umbrella of the religion which it claims to represent.

Not only have you failed as employers, but you have failed miserably as human beings. Anyone could see this is a travesty of justice, but instead of standing up for and helping Ms. Dalelv you took the cowardly and craven way out, backing away out of the controversy no doubt in the fear that your mighty name might be linked to the scandal, without giving a shred of thought to the fate of your former employee. Would you, I am forced to wonder, have done so if the object of this arrest had been a man? Your behaviour is unconscionable, almost defies belief and is without question misogynistic in the worst way. I truly hope you see the error of your ways before it is too late, and your company goes down in history as one which abandons its staff and allows foreign law to ride roughshod over them.

Yours in total disgust
Deryck O'Byrne
Dublin
Ireland

Guybrush · 07-19-2013, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

This has made my blood boil! I swear, I need to calm down...
For those who are interested, this is the email I sent TheOne...

Dear Sir (I'm assuming those in charge are male, as a woman would not abandon another woman in this shameful, cowardly way!)

I read with mounting horror, disbelief and finally disgust the account of your ex-employee Marte Deborah Dalelv and the position she has been put in. I can only say I am aghast that a firm could indulge in such reprehensible behaviour. You have totally abrogated your responsibility to your employee, and condemned her to a frightening ordeal, which she should not in any way be subject to. Moreover, you have sent a very clear and wrong message to others who seek to rape and abuse tourists in Dubai and other countries where Sharia Law is in force, and you have made it quite clear you have no problem with these criminals getting away with such behaviour. You have set a very dark and troubling precedent, and ensured that this law, which most right-thinking people see as not only draconian but irrelevant and outdated, will continue to be practiced and forced upon those who do not even come under the umbrella of the religion which it claims to represent.

Not only have you failed as employers, but you have failed miserably as human beings. Anyone could see this is a travesty of justice, but instead of standing up for and helping Ms. Dalelv you took the cowardly and craven way out, backing away out of the controversy no doubt in the fear that your mighty name might be linked to the scandal, without giving a shred of thought to the fate of your former employee. Would you, I am forced to wonder, have done so if the object of this arrest had been a man? Your behaviour is unconscionable, almost defies belief and is without question misogynistic in the worst way. I truly hope you see the error of your ways before it is too late, and your company goes down in history as one which abandons its staff and allows foreign law to ride roughshod over them.

Yours in total disgust
Deryck O'Byrne
Dublin
Ireland

Trollheart, you brilliant man!

I'm impressed to say the least!

Somewhat positive news, the Norwegian minister of foreign affairs, Espen Barth Eide, called Marte himself and told him they would do what they could to get her back to Norway.

To Dagbladet, one of Norways big tabloid newspapers, she thanks everyone who supported her.

~~butthead aka 216~~ · 07-19-2013, 03:19 PM

i do think people should obey the law of other countries but im not sure exactly where i draw the line. wasnt there a famous case a little while ago about a kid who spit on the sidewalk somewhere and got whipped because of it?? some laws are just ridiculous but i understand what hip hp bunny is saying as well. ignorance is not a defense against law as i have found out personalyl before LOL. but i guess my opinion is that certain laws are so ridiculous that i dont care.

Freebase Dali · 07-19-2013, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla

It's so backwards. Why can't tourists have rights like they do in their originating country?

Because then we'd have people from Dubai traveling to other countries and raping their victims to jail?

~~Lord Larehip~~ · 07-19-2013, 04:10 PM

When I was in the service, I spent a lot time in the Muslim countries. F-uck the Muslim countries.

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Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,970	Tore, what if anything are the Norwegian government doing about this? I assume they've at least lodged a protest, sent a representative to Dubai? __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

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Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,970	This has made my blood boil! I swear, I need to calm down... For those who are interested, this is the email I sent TheOne... Dear Sir (I'm assuming those in charge are male, as a woman would not abandon another woman in this shameful, cowardly way!) I read with mounting horror, disbelief and finally disgust the account of your ex-employee Marte Deborah Dalelv and the position she has been put in. I can only say I am aghast that a firm could indulge in such reprehensible behaviour. You have totally abrogated your responsibility to your employee, and condemned her to a frightening ordeal, which she should not in any way be subject to. Moreover, you have sent a very clear and wrong message to others who seek to rape and abuse tourists in Dubai and other countries where Sharia Law is in force, and you have made it quite clear you have no problem with these criminals getting away with such behaviour. You have set a very dark and troubling precedent, and ensured that this law, which most right-thinking people see as not only draconian but irrelevant and outdated, will continue to be practiced and forced upon those who do not even come under the umbrella of the religion which it claims to represent. Not only have you failed as employers, but you have failed miserably as human beings. Anyone could see this is a travesty of justice, but instead of standing up for and helping Ms. Dalelv you took the cowardly and craven way out, backing away out of the controversy no doubt in the fear that your mighty name might be linked to the scandal, without giving a shred of thought to the fate of your former employee. Would you, I am forced to wonder, have done so if the object of this arrest had been a man? Your behaviour is unconscionable, almost defies belief and is without question misogynistic in the worst way. I truly hope you see the error of your ways before it is too late, and your company goes down in history as one which abandons its staff and allows foreign law to ride roughshod over them. Yours in total disgust Deryck O'Byrne Dublin Ireland __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

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~~butthead aka 216~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: freely swimmin thru the waters of glory much like a majestic bald eagle soars thru the skies Posts: 1,463	i do think people should obey the law of other countries but im not sure exactly where i draw the line. wasnt there a famous case a little while ago about a kid who spit on the sidewalk somewhere and got whipped because of it?? some laws are just ridiculous but i understand what hip hp bunny is saying as well. ignorance is not a defense against law as i have found out personalyl before LOL. but i guess my opinion is that certain laws are so ridiculous that i dont care.

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~~Lord Larehip~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 899	When I was in the service, I spent a lot time in the Muslim countries. F-uck the Muslim countries.