Marte Deborah Dalelv Rape Incident

Trollheart · 07-19-2013, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 216

i do think people should obey the law of other countries but im not sure exactly where i draw the line. wasnt there a famous case a little while ago about a kid who spit on the sidewalk somewhere and got whipped because of it?? some laws are just ridiculous but i understand what hip hp bunny is saying as well. ignorance is not a defense against law as i have found out personalyl before LOL. but i guess my opinion is that certain laws are so ridiculous that i dont care.

Have you missed the vital bit of information here, that she was RAPED? Jesus! It's not like she broke the law intentionally! This is like some mad country where it's illegal to get mugged. Someone pulls a gun on you, you go to the cops and they put YOU in jail! That sound logical or even human to you?

Also, has anyone any information on what, if anything, happened to the rapist, or did he just go his merry way, looking for some other westerner to rape with, it would seem, the full tacit approval of the law????

Trollheart · 07-19-2013, 05:22 PM

Oh, and thanks for the compliment tore! I just felt I had to do something, and it's one case where my small talent could come in handy, and be used for good rather than evil.

Seriously, I was shaking while typing that. I composed it in my head as I made dinner and once I had eaten I had to get it down on paper (as it were) while it was still fresh. My anger was such that I made more than a few spelling mistakes, and had to proof-read it once or twice.

Of course, they'll ignore it but at least I feel like I did something positive. Great news about the Norwegian govt. Hope it comes through quickly for her. Wonder what they think about it (really, not just the state spin story) in Dubai itself?

hip hop bunny hop · 07-19-2013, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

This is like some mad country where it's illegal to get mugged. Someone pulls a gun on you, you go to the cops and they put YOU in jail! That sound logical or even human to you?

So why the **** would someone choose to go to a nation like this? What is going on in the mind of someone who knowingly goes there - do they have some sort of invincibility complex that doesn't allow them to believe this could happen to them, or do they, perhaps, feel such a sense of entitlement that by virtue of being a Westerner they feel the locals should drop centuries of culture and just accept Western standards of morality?

It's unfortunate what happened to this lady, but I don't see how this bizarre liberal proselytism will amount to anything positive in the realm of international relations, and I certainly don't see how it'll change how persons with the UAE view women.

Guybrush · 07-19-2013, 05:30 PM

Sheikha Mahra Princesse Of Dubai (that's her name on Facebook) has very carefully posted a link to the "Release Marte Deborah Dalelv" facebook page, so that's good. It seems more countries are picking up the news as well which is also good.

As for the rapist, he too was convicted for sex outside of marriage (but not rape) and got less time than she did. 13 months I think it was? Not only did he rape her, but also put her in the situation she is currently in. What a dick!

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

So why the **** would someone choose to go to a nation like this? What is going on in the mind of someone who knowingly goes there - do they have some sort of invincibility complex that doesn't allow them to believe this could happen to them, or do they, perhaps, feel such a sense of entitlement that by virtue of being a Westerner they feel the locals should drop centuries of culture and just accept Western standards of morality?

She was on a business trip.

Your devil's advocate schtick is getting a little contrived.

hip hop bunny hop · 07-19-2013, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tore

k!

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She was on a business trip.

Your devil's advocate schtick is getting a little contrived.

Devil's advocate my ass. Just because a boss asks someone to go on a trip to Rapeville doesn't mean they have to or even should.

Guybrush · 07-19-2013, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

Devil's advocate my ass. Just because a boss asks someone to go on a trip to Rapeville doesn't mean they have to or even should.

I think if you are making your career and your boss asks you to go on a business trip, you would have a very strong incentive to go. To me, Dubai was not previously known for being particularly dangerous. My impression was that it was rather westerner friendly, as it strives to be in order to attract Western World businesses.

Where can't you get raped in the world? Considering she went to the police for help, it is apparent it didn't really occur to her that she could get arrested for doing so. I guess she didn't know better.

Does the outrageous sense of entitlement she must have felt while down there provoke you?

~~Lord Larehip~~ · 07-19-2013, 06:02 PM

In Muslim-controlled Malaysia, a Chinese couple was arrested and face 8 years in prison charged with sedition for the unspeakable crime of posting a photo of themselves in Facebook eating pork during Ramadan. Muslims, as we know, are forbidden to eat pork but this couple isn't Muslim!!

Sex Bloggers Could Face Years in Prison for Posting Pork-Themed Facebook Photo That Infuriated Malaysian Muslims | TheBlaze.com

Btw, I was in Dubai, UAE and found it a very neat, orderly looking place but, like any Muslim country you go to, it has a VERY seamy underside that you don't want to run afoul of for any reason.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 07-19-2013, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Would you want some guy from Dubai having the right to treat you like a woman in his own country?

I think this didn't come off correctly. I just mean that just because you're visiting another country, if you "break the law" there should be an extraditing back to your original country.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 07-19-2013, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

This post is just dripping with racism. Sorry, but their morality is just as valid your morality, their national borders just as sacrosanct, and they're no more backward than we are.

When a person visits a foreign country, you should obey the laws of that country. Even if you're a woman.

What does me wanting a woman to have the rights from her own country applied to this case of her being raped, make my post racist? It's no way fair that a rape gets turned into her having sex when she isn't married. It is not just about a law of Dubai being broken but a situation described by the woman being turned into a situation that it wasn't.

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Because then we'd have people from Dubai traveling to other countries and raping their victims to jail?

I have reworded what I meant in my last post. I wasn't making sense originally.

Astronomer · 07-19-2013, 06:58 PM

This is awful, I have signed the petition and all.

The whole conviction in another country thing is something that happens a lot to Australians who holiday in Asia. Because Asia is so close to Australia, many Australians travel and holiday there often. So many of them get convicted of things like drug possession and then jailed for the rest of their lifetime or sentenced to death. Many drug dealers plant drugs in travellers' suit cases, but even if you are in possession of a small amount of drugs, in Australia it wouldn't result in lifetime imprisonment or a death sentence - but in Asia it does. The Australian government is often fighting hard to have them extradited back to Australia but it rarely does. I hope everyone keeps fighting for Marte so she can be brought back to Norway.

07-19-2013, 05:22 PM	#22 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,970	Oh, and thanks for the compliment tore! I just felt I had to do something, and it's one case where my small talent could come in handy, and be used for good rather than evil. Seriously, I was shaking while typing that. I composed it in my head as I made dinner and once I had eaten I had to get it down on paper (as it were) while it was still fresh. My anger was such that I made more than a few spelling mistakes, and had to proof-read it once or twice. Of course, they'll ignore it but at least I feel like I did something positive. Great news about the Norwegian govt. Hope it comes through quickly for her. Wonder what they think about it (really, not just the state spin story) in Dubai itself? __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

07-19-2013, 06:58 PM	#30 (permalink)
Astronomer we are stardust Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 2,894	This is awful, I have signed the petition and all. The whole conviction in another country thing is something that happens a lot to Australians who holiday in Asia. Because Asia is so close to Australia, many Australians travel and holiday there often. So many of them get convicted of things like drug possession and then jailed for the rest of their lifetime or sentenced to death. Many drug dealers plant drugs in travellers' suit cases, but even if you are in possession of a small amount of drugs, in Australia it wouldn't result in lifetime imprisonment or a death sentence - but in Asia it does. The Australian government is often fighting hard to have them extradited back to Australia but it rarely does. I hope everyone keeps fighting for Marte so she can be brought back to Norway. __________________

07-19-2013, 06:02 PM	#27 (permalink)
~~Lord Larehip~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 899	In Muslim-controlled Malaysia, a Chinese couple was arrested and face 8 years in prison charged with sedition for the unspeakable crime of posting a photo of themselves in Facebook eating pork during Ramadan. Muslims, as we know, are forbidden to eat pork but this couple isn't Muslim!! Sex Bloggers Could Face Years in Prison for Posting Pork-Themed Facebook Photo That Infuriated Malaysian Muslims \| TheBlaze.com Btw, I was in Dubai, UAE and found it a very neat, orderly looking place but, like any Muslim country you go to, it has a VERY seamy underside that you don't want to run afoul of for any reason.