John Wilkes Booth

@ larehip i've never heard that interpretation of the eden tale before (being a metaphor for growing up) before but it is an interesting take one it. so if only adam and eve would've refrained from disobeying god they would have been childlike forever?

as for the snake tricking eve.. i assumed that had to do with the death bit. the snake says something along the lines of "surely you will not die." while at first glance you might think he was right since when she bit the fruit she didn't die, when god punished adam & eve part of that punishment was the introduction of death into their world.

i wondered the same thing whenever i read the story of the prophet elijah. whenever i ask christian they say that the period of revelation is over or whatever since jesus went to heaven that this is all the proof i need of god and it's up to me to put my faith in christ. seems like a really convenient excuse to me. elijah gets fire beams from heaven as proof of the one true god and i get a bunch of old superstitious books.

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Lord Larehip

The point of the story is that you can't be childlike forever. Some of us try to go back to the careless simplicity of childhood but, as the Genesis story teaches, once you're expelled from Eden, you can't go back. The snake can be any source of wisdom--for example, when some older kid tells you how you were born. You didn't believe it at first--your parents would never do anything naughty like that! But, after awhile, you realize they did because there is no other way it could have happened. And if your parents found out some older kid told you all this, they might be angry: "Who told you this stuff?? What the hell's wrong with that kid talking about this stuff to my child??!!" But did the kid lie? No. Sooner or later, you're going to find out. That's all the author of Adam & Eve was really trying to say--you can't protect your kids from themselves. And a bunch of morons think this is a factual history--really?

But the snake didn't lie. If I tell you cutting someone off on the freeway isn't punishable by death doesn't mean I lied because the jerk you cut off was a psychopath with a gun and bad case of road rage nor can i be held responsible in any way for that person's actions. So likewise is the snake not responsible for god's psychotic reaction.

Chula Vista

God, admitting he completely f*cked up, and deciding he wanted a total "do over" via the Noah narrative, is enough to poke a huge f*cking hole in everything that is supposed to be GOD.

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and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

Chula Vista

And it still hasn't been answered.

Redundancy at Music Banter. Oh the humanity.

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and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

Xurtio

There were some scientists that tried to explain the Red Sea parting as wind and reef. Still pretty unbelievable. Would require 4 hours of sustained wind that allows passage then stops right as the Egyptians try to cross.

Burning bush explanation was volcanic vent under a bush (plus one schizophrenic to hear a voice right?

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Kid sets bushes on fire for fun.
Sees old dude wandering desert
'Oh ****!' Hides behind bush.
Old dude approaches bush. 'What the ****?'
'Uhh it's God. Take off your shoes.'

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John Wilkes Booth

it's a pretty interesting take, i'll say that much.

i think what ori was saying about the transition from hunter gatherer tribes to agriculture has a point to it as well. i already posted the verses that highlight this. and this also is paralleled in the epic of gilgamesh, which is ultimately at it's core a tribute to man's transition from tribal life to civilization.

you're right, strictly speaking, the snake didn't lie. but the snake gave bad advice disguised as good advice.