Nameless

America has almost nothing to do with this whole refugee thing anyways aside from kind of playing a small to large role in the sequence of events that directly led to it happening a little maybe. I mean I think some in the government are trying to take another... what, 50k refugees? Doesn't really amount to much in a country of hundreds of millions. They can just learn about being broke in the first world.

John Wilkes Booth

blah blah blah

you just want a monopoly on "what it's like in europe" cause you live there

but you are just as self interested as the people who made those videos, so why the hell should i believe you over them?

btw you brits do comment on american gun crime and american issues all the time... who the **** are you kidding?

you think you know more about the ethnic gangs in the town i am from than i do, even though you've likely never even heard of them before. you're just a simple hypocrite, my friend.

the fact is you want to argue from a position of authority because you lack the ability to actually back up your arguments. so you'd rather just state "immigration isn't a big deal" as fact and have nobody question it cause you're the authority on "what it's like in europe."

but there are some things which are simply a matter of fact, which can't be dismissed as media bias. such as the extremely high violent crime rate in london. yet you want to wave your arms and dismiss it with "well i haven't had anyone take a shot at me." well, as long as it hasn't affected you personally then i guess it doesn't matter, does it you silly twat?

Unknown Soldier

Who would be more qualified on discussing racial issues in the USA, you or me?

Because it's in your interest to believe these videos and it suits your agenda.

You've completely missed the point and we can sum this up here and now.

Yes Brits go on about gun crime and its related problems in the USA all the time, but its pretty obvious that they're wrong as most don't even live there so how would they know what it's really like?

Do you live in Europe or have spent any time here? Do you know the day to day problems that really go on here in its big cities? I doubt it but you're naïve enough to believe what YouTube videos tell you.

Now if you'd spent some time here and were speaking with some kind of knowledge about what actually happens here, I'm sure more people would have time for you on this forum.

That's just it no I don't and I'd trust your knowledge more on them than I would my own, BUT what I do know quite a bit about is Latin American gang culture within its own countries, as I've spent a lot of time over the years in Latin America.

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i'm not discounting the value of living in a place... but if you were to raise points on the racial situation in america and my only response was "nah ****'s fine trust me i live here," then you would be an utter fool to take that argument seriously.



it's in your interest to dismiss these videos and it suits your agenda. see how easy that is? this is why i'm not taking you seriously.



incorrect. in some respects they're right. the high number of guns in america is correlated with our unusually high homicide rates. the only place where brits are wrong is in failing to understand how impossible it is to change anything that is in the bill of rights (2nd amendment). that has nothing to do with them not living here and everything to do with them simply being uneducated on the american constitution.

i take youtube videos with a grain of salt... but when i see reports like this i don't just dismiss them without a valid reason to do so. you must know very little about this world if you only trust things that you see in person and never get any information from the news.



yet you didn't trust my knowledge, you told me the gangs were imported when they weren't. some are imported and some are native. zoe pound literally started out in miami directly because of ethnic tension and mistreatment of haitians in that community. no amount of backpacking through south america is going to change that, my friend.

ms-13 is mexican gang that is imported. same with sur-13.

MLK on the other hand is a guatamalan gang in south florida that does not exist in guatemala and arose mostly because guats were often targeted and were vulnerable as a community because they are largely illegal and can't go to the cops when they are robbed.

Janszoon

Source?


MS-13 started in L.A.

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imported from LA then... i just mean it's not locally based. but the gangs which actually commit the most murders where i'm from are mostly locally based. gangs like the crips and bloods and ms-13 rarely make the news. top 6, zoe pound, etc do.

i will look for the source it's been a while... it's pretty well known though. i remember becoming aware of it because of the gun debate, actually. the striking statistic was that london crime rates were about 4x higher than NYC in almost every category besides murder... which was not even a fraction of nyc. indicating a correlation between guns and our homicide rates

Janszoon

Sounds pretty vague and probably very dependent on how different places record violent crime.

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it is possibly overblown... i can't find the article i was thinking of... this book cites similar stats though

https://books.google.com/books?id=hw...20york&f=false

either way my basic point is that importing 3rd world immigrants often translates to importing poverty and crime... hardly a controversial notion, i think

and so when the biggest, most multicultural city also has relatively high crime rates... well that is hardly too surprising. but it's cool that you guys have nice parks and ****...

Chula Vista

Yup.

United Kingdom:

“Violent crime contains a wide range of offenses, from minor assaults such as pushing and shoving that result in no physical harm through to serious incidents of wounding and murder. Around a half of violent incidents identified by both BCS and police statistics involve no injury to the victim.” (THOSB – CEW, page 17, paragraph 1.)

United States:

“In the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, violent crime is composed of four offenses: murder and non-negligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault. Violent crimes are defined in the UCR Program as those offenses which involve force or threat of force.” (FBI – CUS – Violent Crime)

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the stats above refer specifically to rape, burglary and robbery. if our friends in london have ambiguous definitions of these crimes then that's just another reason not to trust the british.