Chula Vista

JWB's starting to sound incoherent.

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on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

John Wilkes Booth

of course the progressive narrative is that they're dumb for not competing for the hispanic vote an instead exploiting xenophobic/nationalist sentiments.. because that is the agenda progressives/liberals have and so it is a useful piece of rhetoric to criticize your opponents for not complying with your ideological agenda.

but consider the idea that maybe their stance on this issue is important to them. perhaps, even politically necessary for them, pragmatically speaking. because reversing their image overnight doesn't seem plausible to them. if that is the case, then they would be correct in trying to act now, in my opinion. because it's basically now or never.

disclaimer: i am not endorsing their opinion on immigration. i regard it as important for the sake of our economy that we not revert to isolationism just to preserve the current political demographics. but politicians on both sides seek to shape the demographic boundaries of their districts in their favor... and i would say that it's strategically sound for them to do so.

Chula Vista

Dude. Talk about a run on sentence.

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

Frownland

I think that these two are well worded and go against Trump's comments. If most of them were criminals, why would people want them to become citizens?

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John Wilkes Booth

hey chula... it seems you would like my attention. maybe you should try telling me specifically what you don't understand about what i'm saying.

Frownland

If chula doesn't understand it, it must be a logical line of thinking.

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John Wilkes Booth

did trump say most illegal immigrants are criminals? i'm not being rhetorical, i'm asking.

because my understanding is he was saying a lot of criminals are coming in because the borders aren't well secured.. not most immigrants are criminals. i have to go but i'll be back later to discuss this more.

Chula Vista

Never said I didn't understand it. But your current rambling style is just kinda funny.

Carry on JWB. Carry on.

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

Frownland

"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're sending people that have lots of problems. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists, and some, I assume, are good people."

Ja, definitely painting with far too wide of a brush there.

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Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth.

John Wilkes Booth

it seems like what trump is implying to me is that the situation in mexico is out of control, in regard to the cartels and all that, and so that the mexican govt is so weak in terms of being able to crack down on the cartels or in some cases even avoid being infiltrated/coopted by criminal elements that they are applying pressure on what they consider undesirables to self-deport themselves to the united states.

i'm not saying that's true or credible, either. but i don't think it's the same as saying that most existing immigrants are rapists etc. i think that is part of the semantic spin that the media uses to discredit a candidate that is promoting something that goes against their particular agenda.