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Old 06-26-2015, 02:39 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Like I said, I don't really think it's a valid complaint and most people who are using it are hiding behind those arguments so as not to oust themselves as bigots.
Great point. And don't underestimate the power of Sour Grapes in the people that are complaining. This was not judicial overreach. Maybe a judicial reach around however.
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Old 06-26-2015, 02:50 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Supreme Court + US Constitution > State's Rights.

Hey, homophobic states: go cry in the corner and STFU.

Gonna be fun watching all of the prez candidates juggling this one during the debates, etc.
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Old 06-26-2015, 03:07 PM   #53 (permalink)
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I like how people are complaining about "9 non-elected judges" making decisions, as if they just show up and don't have to go through a vetting process.
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Old 06-26-2015, 03:24 PM   #54 (permalink)
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I addressed the state's rights issue in my post, but as far as the unelected judges part goes...there were actually 9 unelected judges that voted on the issue since the public doesn't elect them to office. Choosing justices is done on the part of the executive branch and approved by the legislative branch.
But once they're appointed, they serve for life, so once they're in they are technically unaccountable. In practice though, they generally do align themselves with public sentiment, since going off the reservation would likely result in Congress passing laws to undermine their decision, thereby weakening the Court's mandate.

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Like I said, I don't really think it's a valid complaint and most people who are using it are hiding behind those arguments so as not to oust themselves as bigots.
Most people who do argue against things like Roe v. Wade are indeed bigots, but that's still an ad hominem that doesn't address the basic principle of their argument. IMO the Court has indeed overstepped its mandate at times, but I'm not really concerned with some Supreme Court takeover of the government, so I generally don't have a problem with court activism, since it's resulted in changes that really were/are necessary that Congress and the President are often too gutless to address themselves.
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Old 06-26-2015, 03:25 PM   #55 (permalink)
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Supreme Court + US Constitution > State's Rights.

Hey, homophobic states: go cry in the corner and STFU.

Gonna be fun watching all of the prez candidates juggling this one during the debates, etc.
Actually I think it's more fun to watch Fox News lose their shit over this.
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Old 06-26-2015, 03:29 PM   #56 (permalink)
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Actually I think it's more fun to watch Fox News lose their shit over this.
My doctor has disabled Fox News from my cable because of blood pressure concerns. I did make a decent plea for Megyn Kelly though.
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Old 06-26-2015, 03:32 PM   #57 (permalink)
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Most people who do argue against things like Roe v. Wade are indeed bigots, but that's still an ad hominem that doesn't address the basic principle of their argument.
If I shut down their arguments before supposing that the reason they believe in those arguments is because they're bigots, then it's not ad hominem.
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If I shut down their arguments before supposing that the reason they believe in those arguments is because they're bigots, then it's not ad hominem.
Where did you shut down their arguments? If it was in another post then I missed it.
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It may be entertaining to some, but I'm really glad I don't have TV so I don't have to watch the morons on Fox bashing this decision. I can just sit back, relax, and enjoy the equality.
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Where did you shut down their arguments? If it was in another post then I missed it.
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I don't think that's really a valid complaint tbh. A lot of people are harboring on state's rights, but if the SCOTUS comes in and says that what a state or states is/are doing is unconstitutional, then they're well within their boundaries since that's one of the main purposes of the court.
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I addressed the state's rights issue in my post, but as far as the unelected judges part goes...there were actually 9 unelected judges that voted on the issue since the public doesn't elect them to office. Choosing justices is done on the part of the executive branch and approved by the legislative branch.

Like I said, I don't really think it's a valid complaint and most people who are using it are hiding behind those arguments so as not to oust themselves as bigots.
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