RoxyRollah

Also Im not asking you guys to stop talking about it, not at all. Rather understand that people, members, ie friends Dj, myself, soulflower can read and sux being talked about like your not here.

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DwnWthVwls

Just because I don't get emotionally invested doesn't mean I don't respect or lack the capability of understanding how it might make you and others feel. It's possible to have objective conversations about sensitive issues without coming off like an asshole, and I think I do that pretty well (and make a conscious effort to do so).

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RoxyRollah

Listen, Im not saying I didn't snap on yo asses, I most certainly did. Im not sorry, nor will I apologize only because I felt it needed to be said.Ive read things on this board in the last month that are quite frankly astounding, and hurtful as well as childish and just plain ridiculous.
And to cap it off someone who knows persecution at every moment in their life thought they were man/woman enough to use the n word with impunity and Im disgusted. Some of you ought to uh learn some social skillz .

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John Wilkes Booth

lol wut

btw i agree with roxy

**** yall peckerwoods

The Batlord

What are you talking about? Are you having one of your barely coherent rants again?

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grindy

How could they talk about it like you're here?
Would they have to say "Hi, Roxy" or "Sorry, black MB members" before every sentence?
I don't really participate in those kinds of discussions, but this made me curious.

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Trollheart

I can't help what colour I was born, Roxy. Like I said to JWB, I'm not getting into a crusade and saying "oh those poor black people! Someone should do something!" I'm genuinely upset about this incident: it kept me awake the night I saw it on the news. The fact that the woman was black doesn't actually matter that much to me: had this been a white woman (or man) I would have had the same reaction: humans mistreating humans just because they have a badge and with no provocation makes me physically sick.

I apologise if it seemed like I was making a cold clinical issue out of this: I was not. I just think it's awful (for one horrible second I thought "Jesus! What if that lady was Roxy!!!") and I honestly don't see how just because you're one colour you can't feel for, get outraged and have sympathy for those who are not the same colour as you. Isn't that what humanity is supposed to be all about?

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John Wilkes Booth

i know your post was directed at roxy, but just to clarify... my rants were aimed at the general media campaign to push the narrative of systemic police brutality and racism towards black people, not saying you shouldn't sympathize with someone if something like this happens, be they black or white. your thread just reminded me of it which is why i posted it here.

basically for me, the question is: do you think there is a deliberate media campaign seeking to amplify every recent incident of police misconduct.. specifically where the alleged victims are black? because with the way the news has been going lately, i don't see how anyone could conclude otherwise, unless it just so happens that police brutality against black people has suddenly spiked out of nowhere. which i very much doubt is the case. i would like to see some statistics regarding that question, either way.

but if it is the case that police brutality hasn't significantly increased.. that instead, the the more and more local incidents are being amplified and sent out to the national stage, then you can only conclude that it's the reporting that has changed, not the police.

and so you might take the stance that before they weren't reporting it enough, and now they're doing the right thing.

or you might think that they are manufacturing a narrative to suit a particular political agenda, that they later intend to use as rhetorical leverage.

but either way let's be honest about what's happening, so we're all on the same page.

and chula you can mock me all you want for "blaming the media" but i'm just pointing out what i think they are doing. i'm not blaming them for this woman's death or saying that the police in question, if they did something wrong, shouldn't be held accountable. what i'm saying is if the media are engaging in a directed campaign to push the narrative of black americans being consistently mistreated by the police... and that narrative is at all exagerrated or out of step with reality... then they are potentially doing more harm than good.

because yea, the media is powerful. what they say matters. it doesn't matter if you are black, white, whatever.. they shape the discourse of the public. when they say obamacare has death panels, it doesn't matter whether it actually does or not.. cause in the minds of millions of americans, for a time at least, obamacare had death panels.

so then if we decide oh cops are out of line we need cameras on cops, lets have a campaign to rally around every possible incident that could lend to this narrative so we can make it happen, you might do some good and get the police depts to put cameras on their cops. in the process of doing so.. you might also convince x amount of susceptible black youth who are watching your campaign that they shouldn't trust the police... which only makes the problem even harder to solve

imo

Chula Vista

I'm not mocking you. Just pointing out that it's become a cliche with you to point the finger at "the liberal media".

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The Batlord

Would vote for.

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