Brexit? Yay or Nay.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 12-12-2018, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by strangeone

I guess imho Brexit is bad solution for all Europe. Watch on map of the world. Asia, Russia, China, islamic world and many others. Should we stay togheter or be divided?

Where are you from?

strangeone · 12-12-2018, 02:22 PM

I'm from Europe... Yeah its look strange... But should worry about all in our land if look at globe globally. England can be and want to be just "outside the party"?

~~Cuthbert~~ · 12-13-2018, 09:09 AM

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...look-fs2gkm2fk

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A “People’s Vote” has been presented as an outcome in itself but there are at least nine potential referendums.

1. SIMPLE REMAIN/LEAVE VOTE
Fails to address the main argument for another vote, to explain what “leave” really means, and is open to the accusation that people are being asked again in the hope of getting a different result.

Estimated result (based on average of past five polls by Kantar, ComRes and YouGov): Remain 52 per cent, Leave 48.

2. BINARY REFERENDUM: REMAIN V NO-DEAL BREXIT
The argument for it is that if May’s compromise option is defeated it ceases to be an option, so the people should be offered the two visions.

Estimated result (YouGov): Remain 52, Leave 48.

3. BINARY REFERENDUM: REMAIN V MAY’S DEAL
The argument for this format is that this deal is the only realistic Brexit on offer.

Estimated result (YouGov) Remain 50, Leave 50.

4. BINARY REFERENDUM: DEAL V NO DEAL
Little chance of this — it would not get past MPs without a Remain option being included.

Estimated result (YouGov): Deal 65, no deal 35.

5. TWO-STAGE REFERENDUM
Remain v Leave, followed by a “deal or no deal” follow-up question if Leave wins.

This suffers from a major flaw: if Leave wins the first question, it would be undemocratic to restrict the choice of what type of Brexit we have to Leave voters.

Estimated result: Remain.

6. THREE-OPTION REFERENDUM REMAIN V DEAL V NO DEAL (FIRST PAST THE POST)
This would not happen as the Leave vote would be split in two, so the format is unfair.

Estimated result: Remain 46.2 per cent, deal 27.1, no deal 26.6.

7. THREE-OPTION REFERENDUM REMAIN V DEAL V NO DEAL (AV)
Voters rank their preferences, the losing option is removed and its votes are reassigned until one option passes 50 per cent.

Estimated result (YouGov): Inconclusive.

8. THREE-OPTION REFERENDUM REMAIN V DEAL V NO DEAL (CONDORCET METHOD)
Voters are asked to rank their preferences and then the results are reduced to three theoretical head-to-heads.

Estimated result (YouGov): Inconclusive.

9. THREE-OPTION REFERENDUM REMAIN V DEAL V NO DEAL (BUCKLIN VOTING)
Voters rank their preferences and if one gains 50 per cent on the first round they win. If they don’t, all the second preferences count.

Estimated result (YouGov) May’s deal wins, with 87.4 per cent acceding to it as first or second choice, compared with 55.9 per cent for Remain and 47.8 per cent for no deal.

Freddie Sayers is the founder of PoliticsHome and a former editor-in-chief of YouGov.

K Addict · 12-13-2018, 12:06 PM

With regard to No 6:
"THREE-OPTION REFERENDUM REMAIN V DEAL V NO DEAL (FIRST PAST THE POST)
This would not happen as the Leave vote would be split in two, so the format is unfair".

There is an argument that says splitting the Leave vote is fair, or rather grouping all the Leave deals under one option was unfair to Remain in 2016.

Because Remain was naturally or inherently one choice

Unlike Leave which has many options such as May's Deal; The Chequers Deal; WTO crash out; Norway plus; Canada plus. All of these options involve leaving the EU; but a Norway plus deal is very different to a WTO crash out.

If you look at it like this way then the majority was and is for Remain.

Akai · 12-13-2018, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by strangeone

Russia, China, islamic world

3 reasons to leave the EU.

WWWP · 12-13-2018, 02:39 PM

Akai · 12-13-2018, 03:46 PM

Thanks for making my night.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 12-19-2018, 07:08 AM

J-Dogg has upset the Tories

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...-idUKKBN1OI1HD

K Addict · 12-19-2018, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Fluff

J-Dogg has upset the Tories

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...-idUKKBN1OI1HD

Much ado about nothing. Tory rats making political hay out of it

**Janszoon** · 12-19-2018, 04:05 PM

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