hillary clinton 4 prez

Chula Vista · 10-30-2016, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by William_the_Bloody

This is not about James Comey trying to save his a$$. If anything opening a case two weeks away from the Presidential election does the exact opposite. The FBI is a professional organization that must be able to complete an investigation without the pressure of political partisanship.

It is 100% about Comey trying to cover his ass. It is simply unprecedented to do what he did (comment publicly about an investigation) so close to an election. There's nothing wrong with re-opening the case. There's everything wrong with going public with that fact. It's all about politics at this point.

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In this case, the politics are already very much a part of this process, the investigation was already known about and either decision Comey made could have had far-reaching political implications — in this election and beyond. What's more, there were just 11 days left in the election when Comey made the announcement Friday. That is certainly an “extraordinary” set of circumstances that Comey had to wrestle with, so he made an extraordinary — in the truest sense of the term — decision.

The alternative for Comey here was to say nothing about the newly discovered emails. That would certainly have been the easier course in the near-term, because it wouldn't have inserted the FBI into the final days of the campaign.

But what if there did turn out to be something of real substance that altered his evaluation of this case, and what if it didn't come out until after the election and after Clinton was elected president? Imagine the scandal that would arise if and when it was discovered that the Justice Department had these emails before the election and chose to sit on them.

If that had happened, the Justice Department could certainly defend itself by citing that long-standing policy of not commenting on ongoing investigations. Just following protocol, it would say. But that defense almost definitely wouldn't pass muster with half the country.

https://www.justice.gov/sites/defaul...sitivities.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatch_Act_of_1939

William_the_Bloody · 10-30-2016, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

It is 100% about Comey trying to cover his ass. It is simply unprecedented to do what he did (comment publicly about an investigation) so close to an election. There's nothing wrong with re-opening the case. There's everything wrong with going public with that fact. It's all about politics at this point.

https://www.justice.gov/sites/defaul...sitivities.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatch_Act_of_1939

Wrong again, so I will say it again, if the United States top Federal Enforcement Agency decides to reopen a criminal investigation, than there must be emails in there regarding Clinton that goes beyond her attending dinner functions and engaging in her daily aerobics routines.

The investigation must be completed whether you like it or not. As per his decision to go public, if it is found that he was doing it to "save his own A$$" than I am sure a resignation will shortly follow, if Hillary wins (which she most likely will) I think this will almost be inevitable.

Public information or not, Hillary is under criminal investigation for breaking the rules on national security, James Comey did not put her there, Donald Trump or Reince Priebus did not put her there, Bernie Sanders did not put there, she did, and as a result, she must take responsibility for the fallout that happens.

PS: Please provide a link to the articles you put in quotes. For all I know they could be from The Guardian or Washington Post. Thank you.

Chula Vista · 10-30-2016, 11:58 AM

I don't remember which site it was. Let me put this as simply as possible so you'll understand his political motivation for going public - which he should not have done and he's catching a lot of heat for it, even from his boss who advised him not to.

1. Clinton wins and they find nothing - Comey's politically safe.

2. Clinton wins and they find something - The Republicans go ape**** but Comey's covered his ass.

3. Trump wins and they find something - Comey's politically safe.

4. Trump wins and they find nothing - The Democrats go ape****.

James Comey is a republican.

As to links here's a few more:

http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/10... (READER POLL)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/1...an Congressmen

http://www.crazyontap.com/topic.php?...p - Comey Coup

http://washingtonmonthly.com/2016/10...ered-everyone/

William_the_Bloody · 10-30-2016, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

I don't remember which site it was. Let me put this as simply as possible so you'll understand his political motivation for going public - which he should not have done and he's catching a lot of heat for it, even from his boss who advised him not to.

1. Clinton wins and they find nothing - Comey's politically safe.

2. Clinton wins and they find something - The Republicans go ape**** but Comey's covered his ass.

3. Trump wins and they find something - Comey's politically safe.

4. Trump wins and they find nothing - The Democrats go ape****.

James Comey is a republican.

As to links here's a few more:

Once again your inserting your political partisanship into this by assuming that James Comey is politically motivated to reopen the case... because he is Republican?

If James Comey decision to go public is unorthodox, it is because he's most likely cracking under the weight and pressure of a high profile criminal investigation that he is forced to re open in less than two weeks away from the Presidential election.

So again it's irrrelevant. What is relevant is that Hillary Clinton is currently under criminal investigation for breaking the rules on national security. If she is found innocent the case will be closed, unless new evidence is brought forth, but she put herself there, and must take responsibility for it.

Chula Vista · 10-30-2016, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by William_the_Bloody

Once again your inserting your political partisanship into this by assuming that James Comey is politically motivated to reopen the case... because he is Republican?

NO. NO. NO. NO. I am not assuming that Comey is politically motivated to re-open the case. Let me repeat, I am not assuming that Comey is politically motivated to re-open the case. I could give a **** about him re-opening the case. He has every right to re-open the case. THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE.

Him going public and informing the republican congress about it, and of course the letter being leaked to the media and general public IS THE ISSUE. Him GOING PUBLIC is what the controversy is here.

It's not about the potential of the FBI maybe finding evidence to convict Clinton. It's about the FBI inserting itself into a highly volatile political race 11 days before the election.

If somehow Trump pulls of a last minute comeback to win the election, when Clinton's had been way ahead for weeks, the political **** is going to hit the fan if they don't find anything in the emails. The entire Justice Department will come under massive fire for breaking protocol by inserting the FBI into the race so late into the game.

It's not about re-opening the case. Can't you understand that fact?

Did you actually read this?

https://www.justice.gov/sites/defaul...sitivities.pdf

Blank. · 10-30-2016, 01:29 PM

Have eyes explained why they reopened the case? I haven't gotten to read much about this.

Chula Vista · 10-30-2016, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 1blankmind

Have eyes explained why they reopened the case? I haven't gotten to read much about this.

They found some emails on Weiner's estranged wife's laptop that include Clinton. They haven't provided an ounce of any detail as to the content though which is why the Dems are incensed. They are demanding that the FBI release the emails before the election - which of course the FBI won't have enough time to do.

So it stinks based on the timing.

(hey, did you ever post our collaboration?)

Blank. · 10-30-2016, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

They found some emails on Weiner's estranged wife's laptop that include Clinton. They haven't provided an ounce of any detail as to the content though which is why the Dems are incensed. They are demanding that the FBI release the emails before the election - which of course the FBI won't have enough time to do.

So it stinks based on the timing.

(hey, did you ever post our collaboration?)

Ok. All makes sense.

I haven't posted it yet. It'll be on my album when it comes out. Which will be November 5th.

William_the_Bloody · 10-30-2016, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

NO. NO. NO. NO. I am not assuming that Comey is politically motivated to re-open the case. Let me repeat, I am not assuming that Comey is politically motivated to re-open the case. I could give a **** about him re-opening the case. He has every right to re-open the case. THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE.

Him going public and informing the republican congress about it, and of course the letter being leaked to the media and general public IS THE ISSUE. Him GOING PUBLIC is what the controversy is here.

It's not about the potential of the FBI maybe finding evidence to convict Clinton. It's about the FBI inserting itself into a highly volatile political race 11 days before the election.

If somehow Trump pulls of a last minute comeback to win the election, when Clinton's had been way ahead for weeks, the political **** is going to hit the fan if they don't find anything in the emails. The entire Justice Department will come under massive fire for breaking protocol by inserting the FBI into the race so late into the game.

It's not about re-opening the case. Can't you understand that fact?

Did you actually read this?

but you just insinuated that it was

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Let me put this as simply as possible so you'll understand his political motivation for going public - which he should not have done and he's catching a lot of heat for it, even from his boss who advised him not to.

1. Clinton wins and they find nothing - Comey's politically safe.

2. Clinton wins and they find something - The Republicans go ape**** but Comey's covered his ass.

3. Trump wins and they find something - Comey's politically safe.

4. Trump wins and they find nothing - The Democrats go ape****.

James Comey is a republican.

Public or not the fact remains that Hillary Clinton is currently under criminal investigation by the FBI for breaking the rules on national security. If Trump somehow miraculously wins, than she only has herself to blame, she put herself there.

Chula Vista · 10-30-2016, 01:56 PM

I said political motivation for going public. Not political motivation for re-opening the case.

If Comey follows proper Justice Department protocols he potentially gets into serious hot water with the GOP and most likely gets fired.

By not following protocol his only potential problem will be with the DNC.

Can't make it any more black and white than that. That's the very definition of covering your ass.

10-30-2016, 11:58 AM	#1763 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	I don't remember which site it was. Let me put this as simply as possible so you'll understand his political motivation for going public - which he should not have done and he's catching a lot of heat for it, even from his boss who advised him not to. 1. Clinton wins and they find nothing - Comey's politically safe. 2. Clinton wins and they find something - The Republicans go ape** but Comey's covered his ass. 3. Trump wins and they find something - Comey's politically safe. 4. Trump wins and they find nothing - The Democrats go ape**. James Comey is a republican. As to links here's a few more: http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/10... (READER POLL) http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/1...an Congressmen http://www.crazyontap.com/topic.php?...p - Comey Coup http://washingtonmonthly.com/2016/10...ered-everyone/ __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

10-30-2016, 01:56 PM	#1770 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	I said political motivation for going public. Not political motivation for re-opening the case. If Comey follows proper Justice Department protocols he potentially gets into serious hot water with the GOP and most likely gets fired. By not following protocol his only potential problem will be with the DNC. Can't make it any more black and white than that. That's the very definition of covering your ass. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

10-30-2016, 01:29 PM	#1766 (permalink)
Blank. Jacob Sartorius Join Date: May 2016 Location: Dank memes Posts: 4,034	Have eyes explained why they reopened the case? I haven't gotten to read much about this.