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Chula Vista 05-19-2017 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1837533)
"A: Obstruction may consist of any attempt to hinder the discovery, apprehension, conviction or punishment of anyone who has committed a crime.

Stop being defensive simply to be defensive. It's grew so old like 2 years ago.

The White House is lawyering up big time. And you and I are paying for it at probably upwards of $2,500 an hour.

OccultHawk 05-19-2017 07:27 PM

Since I didn't even pay $2,500 in taxes last year I guess they're not actually charging me.

Frownland 05-19-2017 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1837543)
Stop being defensive simply to be defensive. It's grew so old like 2 years ago.

The White House is lawyering up big time. And you and I are paying for it at probably upwards of $2,500 an hour.

Stop taking my curiosity personally. It grew old before it even happened.

If you had paid attention you would have noticed that I called to question that very definition in the original post I made and then went and found a better one.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1837535)
See the new post. Attempts count.

And the complete definition


DwnWthVwls 05-19-2017 07:30 PM

Impeding by definition is to delay or prevent.. If Comey's firing did not do either of those youre going to have to find another verb that's incriminating. Obstruct might work? Possibly? Idk, considering how high profile the case is I think they will need a stronger offense than "obstruction of justice" for impeachment.

Frownland 05-19-2017 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1837550)
Impeding by definition is to delay or prevent.. If Comey's firing did not do either of those youre going to have to find another verb that's incriminating. Obstruct might work? Possibly? Idk, considering how high profile the case is I think they will need a stronger offense than "obstruction of justice" for impeachment.

For now, yes. However if there is a turnaround in congress (which I agree with most people that it's likely) in the next election, it'll get a lot easier.

elphenor 05-19-2017 07:39 PM

they were able to impeach Clinton over whether or not a bj constitutes as sex

you guys are looking at this wrong

it ain't hard to qualify for impeachment

considering that you can make a case for intent with his words, the firing can qualify

and then the senate gets to decide if he's guilty, that would be the arm of the gov the dems have the best chance of taking back

Exo 05-19-2017 08:06 PM

Goof, what would you say if I said that Trump needs to be impeached simply for the fact that nothing is going to get done in the four years he's in office. Let's throw away all the politics of his corruption or non corruption. There are standards that each one of our presidents have lived up to whether it was Andrew Jackson and Richard Nixon or John F Kennedy and Jimmy Carter. Trump has been breaking every one of those standards day after day after day.

Whether you think he's right or wrong. The vast majority of people in power that aren't direct colleagues of him want him out and are doing all they can to do that. There are protests all over the place. There is no room for any progress while he's in office.

Now, all I'm posing is this simple question. Whether right or wrong, do you think a president who is a distraction is a good fit?

Frownland 05-19-2017 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Exo (Post 1837556)
Whether right or wrong, do you think a president who is a distraction is a good fit?

Not to invalidate your point, but that kind of sounds like the way it's been all along, man.

Chula Vista 05-19-2017 09:29 PM

What's it like on Air Force One right now. Still a number of hours before it touches down in Saudi Arabia. The big bomb dropped about 10 minutes after it took off from Washington this morning. And then Comey agreeing to testify publically happened a few hours later. Obviousy, they're totally plugged into what's going on. Who was the poor chum who had to break the news to Trump and Kushner? And what's the mood been since.

A 747 is a huge plane but it's claustraphobic and there's pretty much nowhere to hide. Again, poor Sean Spicer - who's on the plane.


Exo 05-19-2017 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1837585)
Not to invalidate your point, but that kind of sounds like the way it's been all along, man.

Sure but not like this. At least in my lifetime.

rostasi 05-19-2017 10:13 PM

White House could use ethics rule to hamper special counsel on Russia

Stephen 05-19-2017 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rostasi (Post 1837603)

Lol. That's a pretty ironic use of ethics.

Goofle 05-20-2017 04:08 AM

The whole governmental system exists to slow down the process of change if there's vast disagreement within the country.

djchameleon 05-20-2017 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1837632)
The whole governmental system exists to slow down the process of change if there's vast disagreement within the country.

I don't see that as a negative thing like you do. Checks and Balances to keep drastic changes from happening too quickly.

I guess you would prefer how quickly things get done in a dictatorship.

OccultHawk 05-20-2017 07:28 AM

How do you know he thinks it's a negative?

elphenor 05-20-2017 07:48 AM

The system was also designed so that the working class would not have enough democracy to challenge the class system

They'd probably read Aristotle who concluded any real Democracy naturally could not have inequality as the workers would vote to abolish it

djchameleon 05-20-2017 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1837655)
How do you know he thinks it's a negative?

He has the position of limited/no government. He would prefer less government involvement.

OccultHawk 05-20-2017 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1837657)
The system was also designed so that the working class would not have enough democracy to challenge the class system

They'd probably read Aristotle who concluded any real Democracy naturally could not have inequality as the workers would vote to abolish it

What part of the system?

What do you mean by "enough democracy"?

Can you source Aristotle on this subject?

Are you sure it's even established that people actually vote in their own best interest?

OccultHawk 05-20-2017 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1837659)
He has the position of limited/no government. He would prefer less government involvement.

Limited and no government are extremely different ideologies.

Mindfulness 05-20-2017 09:58 AM

president pence

OccultHawk 05-20-2017 10:05 AM

I have only one positive thing to say about Pence. He's better than Trump.

elphenor 05-20-2017 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1837667)
What part of the system?

What do you mean by "enough democracy"?

Can you source Aristotle on this subject?

Are you sure it's even established that people actually vote in their own best interest?

Read up on James Madison's reasoning for The Senate

That's without stating that obviously only land owning white males could even vote

OccultHawk 05-20-2017 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1837677)
Read up on James Madison's reasoning for The Senate

That's without stating that obviously only land owning white males could even vote

Very weak response.

Trollheart 05-20-2017 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1837375)
lol seriously?

I remember first time I saw that, amazing.

Thoughts on this one:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUE7nGPfaa4

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1837376)
Dude shouldn't've gotten up so fast, it's the same as choking yourself when you do that.

x2 Also, you're not supposed to drink upside-down. Gravity, dude.
Quote:

Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1837422)
Nut Job?

That's very offensive!

To nuts, yes.
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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1837519)
I'm not stupid dude. I follow lots of news. I form opinions based on lots of input. Go listen to Beiber.

That was uncalled for. For once I thought Frown was being quite polite towards you.

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1837536)
Bull****

The president can't fire someone to thwart an investigation into himself. .

Well, you see, when the president does it, it's no longer illegal - Richard Nixon.
Quote:

Originally Posted by rostasi (Post 1837603)

Now they're sending hampers to Russia??? :yikes:
Quote:

Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1837675)
I have only one positive thing to say about Pence. He's better than Trump.

So is this.
http://assets.jewson.co.uk/category-.../Main/8188.jpg

elphenor 05-20-2017 10:37 AM

You have the electoral college which exists partially for the same reason

The "state representation" line is not the whole story, just like slavery wasn't a "state's rights" issue

If I wasn't on my phone Id give you what Aristotle said directly

The populace as a whole does vote in its own economic self interest over time

He said this as a matter of fact, not as good or bad, and history has proven him correct

elphenor 05-20-2017 10:44 AM

Consider that the last 20+ years worth of Presedential elections would have been dominated by Democrats if our system was actually democratic

But it isn't, and it wasn't meant to be

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 05-20-2017 03:08 PM

hey look guys

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 05-20-2017 03:09 PM

who am i

Goofle 05-20-2017 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1837659)
He has the position of limited/no government. He would prefer less government involvement.

In the current system I guess I prefer it. Prevents one random president doing a lot of awful things.

Stephen 05-20-2017 07:24 PM

Selling over $100bn in arms to the Saudis. Gee what could possibly go wrong.

OccultHawk 05-20-2017 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1837863)
Selling over $100bn in arms to the Saudis. Gee what could possibly go wrong.

It'll go as planned. A few years from now the same industries will sell $200 billion more to remove the threat of this $100 billion. But don't worry because back home we're going to vote!

Anteater 05-20-2017 10:28 PM

CNN - Breaking News: Trump Tapes With Comey "Leaked": Impeachment "Happening Now" Says Schumer - 5/20/17

Psy-Fi 05-21-2017 10:07 AM

:laughing:

OccultHawk 05-21-2017 10:17 AM

What an intense speech.

elphenor 05-21-2017 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1837774)
who am i

Better to have your own signature than be Frowny Jr.

Frownland 05-21-2017 01:55 PM

I didn't even notice that.

Chula Vista 05-21-2017 05:12 PM

More than 100 Notre Dame students walk out of their graduation ceremony right as Mike Pence starts his commencement speech.

Here's that word again: UNPRECEDENTED.

(still can't believe in a delusional moment I stood up for this douche - please Lord, forgive me)

Key 05-21-2017 05:17 PM

Pence really wants Trump to resign.

Stephen 05-22-2017 04:15 AM

Saudi $100m donation to Ivanka charity on the back of $100bn arms deal. Nothing sus about that right?

Goofle 05-22-2017 04:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1838181)
More than 100 Notre Dame students walk out of their graduation ceremony right as Mike Pence starts his commencement speech.

Here's that word again: UNPRECEDENTED.

(still can't believe in a delusional moment I stood up for this douche - please Lord, forgive me)

What did he do to them?


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