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Old 05-16-2017, 05:57 PM   #5611 (permalink)
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To clarify, I did not mean for the point to sound like an appeal to nature fallacy. It was really just to demonstrate an example of how accessible modern healthcare is not heavily tied to health. You can point to their life expectancy to debunk my claim, but I think that ties more into higher earlier life mortality rates due to living conditions and births than the actual health of the people.

You can look at the history of the Okinawan people for one example.

You can also check out this very recent study: http://www.thelancet.com/journals/la...xt?elsca1=tlpr
It was mostly the use of the word "holistic" that got me. *shudders*

I'm sure the evidence backs up the concept that they were generally healthier than the modern American or Mexican, but I think there are some confounding factors like availability of food and daily physical demand required just to survive.
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I wonder if a request like that is considered illegal if there is not any (proven) action behind it? I don't disagree that the firing was related to this and was done to cover Trump's ass, but proving that kind of intent in court is an incredibly difficult thing to establish. Not to mention that the president has the privilege of replacing members of the executive branch for any reason, so any kind of unjust firings claim would fall flat there.

I thought that the threat of tapes was genuine and that that would be his ticket out, but I researched it and Washington D.C. has one-way consent laws for recording (meaning that you don't need someone else's permission to record any conversation you have with them). So that's totally legal and not grounds for impeachment.
Yes, a president can basically do anything. It's the public perception thing that's the issue. His numbers keep tanking and republicans are jumping off of his coattails left and right. Word is that GOP folks are freaking out behind closed doors and that they're about to come out of the closet. Most of these are folks whose jobs are up for grabs next year.

Basically it's like rats jumping off of a sinking ship. Just saw John Dean interviewed (WH counsel for Nixon) and he basically said this is on par, and maybe even worse than Watergate.
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Yes, a president can basically do anything. It's the public perception thing is the issue. His numbers keep tanking and republicans are jumping off of his coattails left and right. Word is that GOP folks are freaking out behind closed doors and that they're about to come out of the closet. Most of these are folks whose jobs are up for grabs next year.

Basically it's like rats jumping off of a sinking ship. Just saw John Dean interviewed (WH counsel for Nixon) and he basically said this is on par, and maybe even worse than Watergate.
I get that. I'm just considering whether or not there's a legitimate legal basis for impeachment.
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I get that. I'm just considering whether or not there's a legitimate legal basis for impeachment.
It's going to come down to Comey being called before congress as a private citizen. And he's a tough dude that Trump just **** on. Impeachment is not a question of legality. Congress can vote to do it regardless of whether any laws were broken. Clinton getting a BJ didn't break any laws.

And if Democrats win back the house and senate in 2018, Trump is going to be roasted worse than a pig at a Hawaiin luau.

Latest bombshell is that Trump asked Sessions and Pence to leave the oval office prior to giving the Russians private intelligence that was gathered by Israel.

Political theater just doesn't get any better (or scarier) than this.
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There is simply no way this dude is going to survive his first term. I'm taking bets on whether he simply quits, or gets forced out.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/u...tion.html?_r=0
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I thought that the threat of tapes was genuine and that that would be his ticket out, but I researched it and Washington D.C. has one-way consent laws for recording (meaning that you don't need someone else's permission to record any conversation you have with them). So that's totally legal and not grounds for impeachment.

If it was anyone else in the White House they would be screwed but the president is the only one that gets a pass.
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How are you coming to this conclusion?
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I'm being pessimistic but the democratic party has done nothing so far to address the issue of why they loss.

They are still pushing establishment democrats. Even with the most recent vote for the new chair of the DNC.
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