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elphenor 06-21-2017 04:43 PM

I think nea tried to argue this earlier tho rofl

The Batlord 06-21-2017 04:46 PM

Goofle too.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 06-21-2017 05:36 PM


Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1848706)
The idea of the establishment itself being anti-establishment is a curious one.

that's not how it works

elphenor 06-21-2017 05:38 PM

A curious one you say

Frownland 06-23-2017 10:38 AM

I can't even be mad about this because I'm laughing too hard.

Chula Vista 06-23-2017 10:51 AM

I'm past the point of wanting to punch him in the face every time he opens his mouth.

riseagainstrocks 06-23-2017 10:51 AM

Tangentially Trump related, I find the outrage over this amusing:
Johnny Depp Jokes about Assassinating Trump

Short version, he asked "When was the last time an actor killed a President? I'm just asking the question."

So of course, the Fox and co. call him treasonous (which statutorily, he is not) and seditious (maybe closer to the mark), but fail to see the ironic, rhetorical move here (like Trump as Caesar in the play or Kathy Griffin's mostly tasteless severed head).

Moreover, they have no problem applying the double standard to Trump's own words. He bragged about being able to commit murder with no repercussion, bragged about leveraging celebrity into committing sexual assault, etc. But the best and most recent parallel I can draw is his "I hope you can see a way to letting this [Flynn thing] go". Clearly a veiled threat of potential negative consequences if James Comey did not 'let it go'.

Both men aired gross ideas and invoked the 'just saying' defense. I guess whichever one you think is less onerous is a clear indication of your political persuasion.

Frownland 06-23-2017 10:54 AM

I'm glad not giving a **** about either of them saying those things aligns with my non-affiliation.

Wpnfire 06-23-2017 11:34 AM

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.”

That's an overused quote, but applicable here.

As per usual, Trump's logic is confusing to the point that its impenetrable. Here's what bothers me.
  1. He implies that poor people are uninformed about the economy, which is a...weird conclusion. I know for a fact that children that grow up in a poor household always have a worse education than people who don't. From that standpoint, I guess Trump is right, but he's not nominating a child to that position, he's nominating an adult, which is entirely different. An adult can be poor for a variety of reasons that have nothing to do with whether they are knowledgeable about the economy or not. That brings me to my next point which is...
  2. According to Trump's daughter, Trump was greatly in debt at some point, yet he considers himself to be an outstanding businessman—and more importantly, he maintained that he was a good businessman during this indeterminable period of low SES. That flies in the face of what he's implying here with this quote.
  3. We don't know if Trump is actually a good businessman because we don't have his financial history (i.e., his tax returns.) If he was poor at the same time he was claiming to be a good businessman, he's again contradicting himself.

Frownland 06-23-2017 11:42 AM

To be fair, I'm pretty certain that anyone who would be qualified for that (or any other) cabinet position wouldn't be poor (which I'm defining by the poverty line of ~22k/yr). Of course, this is far from hiring an exorbitantly rich businessman who built his legacy off of shady tactics, but it still stands.

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