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The Batlord 06-25-2017 03:36 AM

elphenor 06-25-2017 06:54 AM


Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1849621)

There isn't enough people on board for violence to be effective. People in general are way too comfortable with their status quo. They aren't desperate enough.

yeah I mean there's still hope that one of them dies from complications but we couldn't even stop a baseball game, disapointing

Anteater 06-25-2017 07:29 AM


Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1849629)
Presentious 101.

You and Joe. :rofl::rofl::rofl:

How much do you pay your workers? What's your health care plan? How much paid sick time? How much paid vacation time? I get the impression that you are a total f-ing Trump like leach on your workers. But hey, it's legal so WTF? As long as YOU are making money, right?

Good for you dude. Rock on.

Pathetic. I've talked about what I do before and the vets I hire for six figure jobs in the U.S. tech sector. Am I supposed to do something about your memory problems too?

Janszoon 06-25-2017 07:42 AM

I'm temporarily closing this thread for people to cool down and back off on the personal attacks. If I see it showing up anywhere else on this site, the posts will be deleted.

Edit: I'm reopening this thread. It will remain open as long as everybody refrains from personal attacks and trolling.

djchameleon 07-10-2017 11:54 AM

Let's break down the events of G20.

Here are a few bullet points.

- Disappointment expressed about the US not being in the climate change agreement. Further solidifying that other countries no longer look to the US as the "leader of the free world". Merkel holds down that title now.

- Some discussion was had over steel production and of course Trump was promoting Fossil Fuels.

- he backed off a bit on his stance of being against NATO and wanting to pull out of NAFTA.

- He met with Putin and asked about interfering with US Elections. To which Putin replied no and started laughing like a maniacal villian.

- They also discuss creating a Cyber Security Unit which is basically like the Joker saying to The Riddler lets work in keeping Gotham safe now. Batman is fake news.

-He still sticks to his point that Mexico will absolutely pay for the wall.

-When it was over, he just skipped out of town with no news conference.

Oh and the Nepotism fest continues, he had his daughter sitting in on meetings he should have attended.

Chula Vista 07-10-2017 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1854336)
Further solidifying that other countries no longer look to the US as the "leader of the free world".

This is being promoted by almost everyone right now. So sad. I'm truly upset about it.

Re: Russia - Putin laid a trap and Trump walked right into it. He got played like a violin.


On paper, Vladimir Putin should not have had the upper hand going into the meeting.

To start with, Russia has been living with sanctions put in place more than three years ago because of their annexation of Crimea.

And most Americans, save a few people including the President of the United States, are confident that Putin led the Russian intervention into the American election and into many other elections around the world.

President Obama booted out nearly three dozen spies in December and closed two compounds, and there are many, from both parties, calling for an additional round of sanctions on Russia.

We should have had some leverage. So what happened?

To start with, the Russians are skilled public manipulators.

They know how to stage-manage and how to set the expectations for global events. Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov is a smooth operator who knows how to charm cameras and international audiences. He is visible at international events and followed by a gaggle of adoring state-run media. He also rarely shies away from answering questions, holding press conferences, or reading out meetings. He has been on the international scene as foreign minister for 13 years, and as the UN ambassador for 10 years before that, and it shows.

Putin may have less of a warm diplomatic bedside manner, but he understands the art of presentation and how to set a trap.

And set a trap is exactly what he just did.

The Russians telegraphed in advance of the meeting that their agenda was to 1) publicly mend the relationship, 2) gain a better understanding of US policy, and 3) discuss joint concerns over terrorism. They scored on all three.

Their previewing kept expectations low and made clear that there simply would not be enough time to talk about Ukraine.

And how did the United States preview the meeting and set the table for the most important diplomatic engagement this summer?

Just yesterday, President Donald Trump questioned the validity of American intelligence on foreign soil and then questioned whether other countries or actors were involved in the hacking.

But before that, H.R. McMaster, the President's national security adviser, previewed the meeting with President Putin by saying there was "no specific agenda -- it's really going to be whatever the President wants to talk about."

The problem is that the expectation-setting and previewing of important diplomatic meetings does more than just fill wire reports and cable air time. It sends the message about what the United States expects to accomplish, how prepared we are for the engagement and also puts the difficult topics on the table that are the core purpose of these meetings.

Immediately following the meeting, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson appeared on television making clear that President Trump had repeatedly raised Russian meddling in the meeting. That sounded like a positive development until he said President Trump has decided to focus on "how do we move forward from something that may be an intractable disagreement at this point."

This statement was quickly followed by Foreign Minister Lavrov appearing on television to say that President Putin had denied involvement, Trump said reports of meddling were exaggerated and he accepted Putin's denials.

Leading American intelligence agencies, Republicans and Democrats in Congress and many members of his own administration are confident that the Russians intervened in the American election last year. But a simple assurance from President Putin overrides that.

You don't get a lot of shots at pressure in diplomacy. And after you've let your adversary off the hook, you certainly don't get to apply that pressure again. As far as the Russians are concerned, the public case is closed.

Queen of England 07-10-2017 01:30 PM

At this point I'm willing to bet money that we go to war with N Korea before the end of Trump's first term.

Any takers?

Chula Vista 07-10-2017 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by Queen of England (Post 1854375)
At this point I'm willing to bet money that we go to war with N Korea before the end of Trump's first term.

Any takers?

I'm too afraid to bet.

One thing I don't quite get: All the military officials say an offensive military strike would be very bad. Pyongyang, which is where all of the serious infrastuture is located, and the only province that has electricity 24/7, is only 1,200 square miles.

Hiroshima is 350 square miles and that bomb was dropped over half a century ago.

So why would sneaking over and bombing the **** out of the basic skeleton of the country be "very bad"? Does it send a bad signal to any other country? Could NK actually recover? Would any sane person on the planet want them to?

Ever read about these places? Bad, bad, regime.

Cuthbert 07-10-2017 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by Queen of England (Post 1854375)
At this point I'm willing to bet money that we go to war with N Korea before the end of Trump's first term.

Any takers?

You think it will happen that quickly?

djchameleon 07-10-2017 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1854397)
You think it will happen that quickly?

It won't he keeps feeding into the fear tactics from Fox News and other pundits.

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